Manga/Dragon Ball

So would Zaheer from The Legend of Korra be able to ride the Nimbus then?

Cause he unlocked the ultimate Airbending art which is unassisted flight requiring that he has no Earthly ties so wouldn't that mean he's pure of heart?

I still wonder if that "Void" flight thing could be forced onto other things, essentially giving you telekinesis.

The dub of Dragon Ball Super is still really on point. "YOU DARE SPEAK OF A DESTROYER'S ASS?!"

I'm sure he could. Given enough time he can master air control to carry stuff with just a twitch of the ear since he is pretty much a true master at that point.

Sad he's locked up alone. Poor guy.

He tried to commit regicide genocide. He gets no pity from me.

He can have sympathy for his girlfriend dying in such a horrible way, but no pity.

edited 28th Jun '17 10:26:38 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

He partially succeeded too.

Or at least committed one form of Regicide.

A twisted awesome form of Regicide (the method was basically turning a long time fan theory into reality) but still.

...Bring back Spike the Devil man, and let him blast everyone again.

Meh, royalty is an outdated concept in my mind. Zaheer went too far and too murder-y for me to agree with what he did, but I do believe the modern world has no need for monarchs. They're just a relic of less enlightened times.

Anyway, I bet Zaheer could ride the Nimbus if we're going the Pure Is Not Good route, but why would he, since he could fly anyway?

(That can also be applied to every DB character since the end of original Dragonball, incidentally.)

edited 28th Jun '17 10:29:39 PM by DarkHunter

I wouldn't hold the regicide against him much, the recipient deserved it.

Not sure when he committed genocide, is that when he held the Airbenders hostage?

edited 28th Jun '17 10:33:16 PM by slimcoder

Just the idea of murdering all the members of a specific group of people. I'm not sure 'kill all world leaders' counts, but I just like saying regicide genocide.

"Mass regicide" would be a more apt term.

Probably.

I want to see a game have the Ginyu Force meet the Pride Troopers.

Ahh my post from before didn't go through. Anywho...

Absorbing the Dai Kaioshin reduced Boo's power, so I'm not sure why you think that would help him. I mean, the whole point of that backstory is to justify why the 'original' Boo is strong enough to be a credible threat to Goku when Fat Boo wasn't. South Kaioshin increased Boo's power, but absorbing Dai Kaioshin after that reduced his power below the original.

Just look at how the two fare against Goku. Goku's completely unharmed at the end of his battle with Boo, even when he takes a punch straight to the face (compare 19 slugging Vegeta and still managing to draw a little blood, despite Vegeta's overwhelming advantage on 19). Meanwhile, Pure Boo is able to fight on par and bloody up a Goku who is actually taking the fight seriously.

Even though it's logical for Mr Boo to be weaker than Fat Boo with his evil half missing, for their respective performances Toriyama may have just considered them on the same level. It'd certainly be easier to understand that way superficially.

Sad but unfortunately true. Goku isn't a good guy superhero but a strong guy with a pure desire to fight. I think this post more than anything else gets to the heart pf the matter of purity in Dragon Ball.

Really? But... that doesn't make any sense! I can understand the Daikoushin's nature making Majin Boo appear weaker since he can't tap into his full power but he's actually weaker?

Was it ever explained why Boo didn't stay as Buff Boo for longer? Since they didn't take out South Kaioshin out of him.

Well, the South Kaioshin still powered him up. Buff Buu was even stronger than Super Buu, and South was stated to be the strongest Kaioshin. Dai Kaioshin's influence may have weakened Buu, but South was stronger. Also, Goku's fights with Fat Buu and Kid Buu were very different battles.

Goku when fighting Fat Buu was dead, and as such not as affected by SS3's stamina issues. It was also a much shorter and less heated battle, and Goku cut it off before it could really go anywhere because he was just stalling for time. Goku later said that he 'probably' would've been able to defeat Fat Buu at this time if he went all out from the start. It was also implied that Buu wasn't going all out here, since he got noticeably stronger immediately before splitting into Good and Evil Buu.

Goku when fighting Kid Buu was alive and feeling the full brunt of SS3's stamina issues. The fight was also much longer and more intense, and Goku only cut it off when he needed to tag out to charge power. Goku also said that he 'definitely' would be able to defeat Kid Buu if he was at full power.

...dare I ask the context of that quote?

Haven't seen the episode, but the preceding line is:

Vegeta: "Your ass trapped us in there!"

So I'm guessing it's immediately after Goku and Vegeta escape from Whis' Godly Ki dimension.

This isn't right though, and despite what Toriyama says about his own work he isn't right either.

How else do you justify the attack on the Red Ribbon Army, Goku ever being willing to use the Spirit Bomb, or him being willing to go Super Saiyan God? None of those bring him any sort of joy in fighting- he does them to protect the ones he loves.

Speaking of pure of heart do you think Krillin would be able to ride the kintoun now? I don't think his motive to train now has anything to do with trying to be popular with girls/

Almost certainly

Other's have mentioned what Toriyama intended or thought he was writing not necessarily lining up with what he actually wrote, in regards to Goku, I'd partially agree.

You definitely get the sense that Goku loves fighting just for the sake of it, but the lengths he's willing to go to for people he just met, and the way he actually deals with villains for the most part doesn't portray a guy who's willing to put "fighting above all else" or anything like that.

He sure puts fighting above common sense at the very least.

Yeah, but that mostly seems to be either when he's absolutely confident that the situation is taken care off, or there's no way out of it anyway.

When leaving Cell to Gohan, he can do things like give Cell a Senzu because he's sure Gohan is going to win anyway, so might as well let his son enjoy the fight. Stupid, but I don't think he's thinking it actually affects the outcome.

Against Kid Buu, he and Vegeta refuse to fuse and end things, but that's only because he thinks they have a chance. When it seems like they don't, but he knows for a fact that Gohan can stomp him into the ground, he just wants to sidestep the fight and have Gohan end things quickly.

Goku makes bad decisions related to fighting, and in general, but they're not all of the "I know we should kill Vegeta but I need to fight him again so let him go" variety. And even he acknowledged that was an unreasonable request.

Regarding Fat Buu being weaker than Pure Buu, think of it this way:

A person's maximum potential power is not necessarily their current power. Buu absorbing the Dai Kaioshin may have theoretically boosted his maximum potential power, but the calming influence reduced his effective power level, producing a weaker final product. Like going from a pint water bottle filled with a pint of water, to a gallon water bottle filled with only a cup.

That's why Super Buu is so much stronger than Fat Buu despite just being a rearrangement of the same components. The Dai Kaioshin's influence is significantly reduced.