Complaining: Tastes Like Diabetes

you need to be more specific. "The trope a it's currently known" is pretty much "anything somebody would find sweet". Seriously, go check the archive.org copies of the page. Especially ones from a few years ago.

Read the quotes page. They paint a pretty good picture of what this is supposed to be. It's not just sweet things. It's specifically things that are sickeningly sweet.

edited 14th May '12 9:13:21 AM by Fnu

That's still damn vague. "So sweet it makes you sick" isn't any more specific than "very, very scary" and so on.

So, this trope in like Accidental Nightmare Fuel, for children's shows. Might make this a subtrope of Nightmare Fuel. Also, should we add a "no straight examples, unless Engregious" statement?

edited 14th May '12 2:43:35 PM by spacemarine50

"Unless egregious" seems meaningless.

Maybe we could limit this to in-universe examples and make it an objective trope.

Well, yeah, that's the basic in how to handle YMMV tropes.

They don't go to the main pages unless they can be applied in-universe.

It's really not hard, anytime someone in the show comment on something being "too kiddy" or "too fluffy" or whatnot, it counts.

I mean, there gotta be like a bajillion examples of this.

edited 14th May '12 6:09:30 PM by fakeangelbr

This gets used and lampshaded a lot. If we restrict this to in-universe examples we'll still have a lot of useful content.

edited 15th May '12 12:02:11 PM by Fnu

Vote bump.

Calling the crowner in favor of the rework suggestion. Make it so.

So what exactly is this being reworked into? How is "Children's series tend to be all fluffy and cute" any more of a trope than "So sweet it's sickening"?

It needs a new name and a new description. We have to remove all the old examples and wicks, none of which apply, and replace them with others.

YKTTW is supposed to be the place for creating new pages...

For starters, "childrens shows are all fluffy" is a trope, unlike "so sweet it's sickening"

edited 18th May '12 2:33:52 PM by SeptimusHeap

We could rework it into a trope without scrapping the basic concept completely. There are in-universe examples of characters experiencing this reaction to excessive sweetness, occasionally referencing diabetes by name.

What's different between this trope and Accidental Nightmare Fuel? That trope's image might be an example of this trope.

Tastes Like Diabetes isn't frightening. It's just so sweet you can feel your teeth rotting.

That image is definitely NOT Tastes Like Diabetes. It's not sickeningly sweet. It's scary.

But, the comparison does illustrate how "overly sweet" is no more a trope than "too scary".

Why all the fuss? Just looking at the quotes page this is obviously considered a trope, one overused/exagerated enough to be commented on in universe.

I've yet to hear any compelling argument why this isn't a trope. If this isn't a trope, then what is it? Whatever it is, it's something creators often use in their works for some purpose. It's a tool, and it's worth documenting.

It says so in the first line in the description. It's an audience reaction, not a trope. And audience reactions that are full of complaining are not something we're ineterested in.

"Children's shows are cute because of the Animation Age Ghetto" is a trope. "Children's shows are giving me diabetes" is not.

Either way, the crowner says a reworking is in order.

"I've yet to hear any compelling argument why this isn't a trope."

Several have been stated, do you just not find them compelling? Not sure that matters.

Tropes are storytelling devices or conventions used to convey meaning. "Work is Sweet" is not a trope. It's just not. Like "Work is Dark" is not a trope.

edited 19th May '12 11:16:31 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Listing this as an Audience Reaction instead of a trope is probably what caused all the problems in the first place, as there is a real trope in here that's being constrained by the Audience Reaction tag. I agree that we don't need a dumping ground for anything tropers find excessively sweet. But sometimes things are so excessively sweet that it's pointed out within a work, and characters react to it as if the sweetness were literal sugar. The trope here is about sweetness being treated as if it were literal sugar, such as in this quote from Forbidden Broadway:

We should rework this from an Audience Reaction to an in-universe Character Reaction. We could fix all the problems this has while keeping the overall concept intact.

edited 19th May '12 1:23:02 PM by Fnu

Did you even look at the page description as it originally was? It was literally "things that make you sick". Hell, even the page as it currently is is full of "things that are sweet". Some examples aren't even from children's media.

Barely any examples there are in-universe character reactions. And the ones that are aren't about children's media. Like the Psych example.

edited 20th May '12 5:51:12 AM by ThatHuman

One thing that irks me about the name itself is that it's based on the misconception that sugar causes diabetes. It only causes one form of it; type 2. And even then it's only a contributing factor, not the sole one. It has nothing to do with type 1.

Now I know from the Colon Cancer debate that insensitivity in a trope title isn't enough to change it, but what about insensitivity on top of objectively untrue bullshit? Shouldn't such things combined be enough?