Fate/kaleid Liner Prisma Ilya Anime

Riotously adorable bear stuffed.

Alternatively she's being empowered the Counter Force of Humanity's collective unconscious Alaya which acts to preserve humanity, even at the expense of individuals if what the Ainsworth's are doing has the potential to wipe out humanity. Alternatively if it might kill everything they might actually agree on something for once and both empowering her.

Or rather, she's a Ruler that got glitched the fuck out

I'm almost completely certain that Tanaka is an agent of the Counter Force, though whether she's acting for Alaya, Gaia, or both is hard to say. What's happening to Gaia in that timeline though would explain why she's so weak, compared to, say, Primate Murder.

edited 18th Aug '16 11:00:27 PM by DarkHunter

So Ilya got to experience a Bad End she inflicted on Shirou in Stay/Night. Quite the nightmare, huh?

But hey, at least this experience opened her eyes to her defeatist attitude.

Weeeeell, that's a side of Beatrice I did not expect to see. And she's a Grade-A bully.

Erica's a kid, so she wouldn't fully understand Miyu's pain...

So Luvia and Rin got caught and got turned into mind-controlled maids. Incompetent mind-controlled maids.

Sapphire Ilya, ready to mete out destructive, fluffy and cute justice!

This is really gonna be the longest season of this show, huh? I was kinda expecting this episode to progress with the plot quicker, but oh well. Goals were achieved, and it ended on a cliffhanger as our heroes were given a Sadistic Choice - save Miyu, or save the world. Of course, we all know Illya is going to Take a Third Option and declare that she'll save both.

The heroes are the villains?

I hope they win in the end.

Who? The heroes or the heroes?

Exactly.

The episode wants you to ponder that question.

edited 25th Aug '16 3:11:09 PM by randomness4

It may want you to, but the story is doing a terrible job of setting up moral ambiguity.

When the Ainsworths are pretty much pure evil, with literally their only redeeming quality being that they happen to be trying to save the world, I don't see how I'm expected to root for them over Team Illya.

That's too bad, mang.

It's more of a less impacting reveal...

A someone who reads the manga, I will say that the next episode is going to massively expand on the Ainsworth's reasons for doing what they're doing.

And they do have a justification - compared to the population of the planet, what's the life of a single girl? The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. That's not being evil, that's being Kerry.

It's less of what they are doing and more of the way they do it.

Kerry may have been an extremist, but he didn't act like a grating moustache twirling arrogant twat playing the supervillain in a stage play like the Ainsworths did. The disconnection between what they're supposed to be and what they come across as (which reminded me a lot of the similarly unbearable Huckenbeins in Nanoha Force) was so bad it made me drop the manga.

Exactly. If attempting to kill Miyu was the only thing the Ainsworths were doing that was evil, then I might be inclined to consider some ambiguity.

But no. They delight in causing pain and torment to others (especially Beatrice, who deserves nothing less than either death or a lifetime in a mental institution), they enslave people on a whim for their own amusement, and basically consider other people to just be tools, refusing to respect any kind of human rights.

They are not heroic, they are evil. As far as I'm concerned, they cannot be seen any other way. Even when the stakes are as high as global extinction, that's not an excuse to do whatever you want to without consequence. It might excuse some morally ambiguous actions that are unavoidable in the course of saving the world, but 90% of the Ainsworths' actions do not fit that criteria.

If this is a story in which Team Illya gets labelled "the villains", then its villains vs. villains, no heroes around.

edited 25th Aug '16 7:09:00 PM by DarkHunter

Villains vs. Villains?

That's also good. Real good battles happen if the opposing forces share the same moral scale (even if it's on a technicality).

edited 25th Aug '16 7:10:05 PM by randomness4

Oh, I do agree that they're being complete assholes about the whole thing, and probably don't have to be, and the fact that they are is a massive mark against them. Even if Darius has a wonderful sense of the dramatic.

Unless they do, I dunno. 3rei's not over yet, maybe their dickishness is integral to the plan. I highly doubt it though.

Let put it this way.

Kiritsugu, for all his edgyness and brutality, never deluded himself that he's often doing bad things, often very bad things. He, at some point, even declares that he loathes the very concept of Hero, believing that Hero is simply a way to cover bad, questionable deeds with glory and greatness.

He's like magical version of Frank Castle. The difference is, while Frank Castle partially driven by Love (vengeance for his family), Kiritsugu is broken by Love (realizes that his worldview is worth shit in front of his True Desire).

...Maybe that's why Ainsworth deluded themselves into thinking that they're heroes? Because there's history of magus got broken when their philosophy got into collision with their "weakness"?

Actually, I honestly think the best comparison I can think of in terms of character for Darius is, well, Doctor Doom, and possibly to a lesser extent Magneto, but Doom is much closer. Like Doom, Darius is a Visionary Villain who has a mastery of magic (Doom is also a master of technology, mind you, but that's irrelevant in this comparison), and believes that it's basically his way or the highway in terms of saving humanity and the world from itself and recreating both in his own vision. He also has an arch-enemy who has been thwarting his plans from the beginning - Miyu's version of Shirou, in comparison to Reed Richards, though the relationship is, understandably, more mutually antagonistic, as both sides wish to kill each other because they both believe the other can't be reasoned with, while Reed has a steadfast belief that Doom can change (and to his credit, so far as of post Secret Wars, he's right).

Not a perfect comparison, but it does provide a better perspective of the Ainsworths, I think.

edited 26th Aug '16 5:44:09 AM by Cronosonic

New episode! New EP! I won't lie, that was a pretty fitting note to end the episode on.

Was expecting Illya to take the third choice. Great fight scene, by the way.

Emiya hijack begins!!

Okay, I didn't get a lot of the finer details, like why Julian had to use fancy magic to become his dad,pisode is going to and what the hell a counterfeiter is supposed to be, but who cares, there's an army of Heroic Spirits to conquer!

Seriously, next episode is going to be sweet. Trace. On.

Honestly disappointed. Lacks the gravitas the manga had. It just looks bad.

The writing looks bad?

The writing dictates what happens on the screen, so yes, technically writing can look bad.