TV Tropes Org

Forums

search forum titles
google site search
Total posts: [13]
1

Scottish Norse/Dwarves:

Azor Ahai
Not sure why I thought of it, but does anyone have an idea where the idea of having dwarves and/or Norse (and Fantasy Counterpart Culture versions of them) have Scottish accents. I'm assuming the two go together- dwarves come from Norse Mythology- ergo, if the Norse were given Scotish accents, dwarves should have them too.

I've read Dasent's translation of Asbjornsen and Moe's Norwegian Folktales uses some Scottishisms (lassie and bairn and that kind of thing), but that's pretty obscure, so I was thinking there must be some more well known work that started the trend.
Hodor
Ecce Homo Superior
I don't know a lot about this trend, but it's useful to note that Scots English contains more Nordic loanwords than the Queen's English, because of Scotland being more exposed to Viking raids. For example, "bairn" comes directly from Scandinavian words meaning "child".
(it's David Bowie)
 3 Tam H 70, Fri, 9th Mar '12 11:00:30 AM from 合計虐殺 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
War ALWAYS changes. Man does not.
Dwarves are Scottish because a/ they sound better with a Scottish accent, even a bad one, and b/ because Scots have traditions of being great engineers, (and never get tired of telling the English that) and great miners. Both of which pop up as traits for Dwarven kind throughout most fantasy works.
 4 32 Footsteps, Fri, 9th Mar '12 11:25:15 AM from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
The 11th Grover
I always thought the "Norse Dwarves" thing came from the fact that Norse Mythology was the biggest source for most of the stereotypes about dwarves. In other words, they act like the culture that spawned them.

For the Scottish accent... my guess would be that there was some British production that, to give them a sense of a distinct identity, made all the dwarves have Scottish accents instead of some variety of English for the humans. But that's just a stab in the dark; wouldn't surprise me to learn that I was off-base.
Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
 5 Martello, Fri, 9th Mar '12 4:38:01 PM from Black River, NY
Hammer of the Pervs
I've seen plenty of dwarves with Scottish accents, but no Norse or counterparts with the same accents. What example were you thinking of?

The first time I heard a dwarf with a Scottish accent it was Magnus from Arcanum.

edited 9th Mar '12 4:38:49 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
 6 Deboss, Fri, 9th Mar '12 11:34:02 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Because dwarves are drunkards and that's how a lot of Westerners depict foreign countries? I'm betting it was popular in England at the time of popularization and Scotland wound up being the wipping boy of choice.
 7 Sharur, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 12:59:50 AM Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
I don't have anything to back this up other than my gut feeling, but I think it has to do with OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame. Namely, I think someone made some kind of audio production of the Lord of the Rings(radio, theater, etc., and I remember something about an animated movie version made in the 60's or 70's) where the Dwarves, or just Gimli, was cast as someone with a Scottish accent. After that, Scottish seemed to become the default. Possibly because it just sounds right.
"Do not be too eager to deal out Death in Judgment, for not even the very Wise can see all Ends." -JRR Tolkien
 8 nrjxll, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 3:32:41 AM Relationship Status: Not war
The Lord of the Rings is actually a particularly interesting case of this, since Tolkien's dwarves are not Scottish at all.

 9 Another Duck, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 3:59:39 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
And Gandalf is named after a dwarf, which is even funnier as it means "wand elf".
Check out my fanfiction!
 10 RJ Savoy, Mon, 22nd Oct '12 8:15:50 AM from Edinburgh Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Reymmă
Dwarves originate in Norse mythology, but from what I gather they were very different, more like modern vampires in appearance. Living underground is the most obvious commonality.

Part of today's dwarves come from pre-industrial miners: when mining was practised on much smaller scales, the favoured miners were men with certain forms of dwarfism that made them short but thickly muscled, the better to crawl in those cramped tunnels. Coal mining in Britain is in Scotland, Wales and Northern England, which is likely part of this.

Another part is doubtless that Tolkien's Shire and Hobbits were intended as an idyllic vision of rural England, so it is natural to mark the contrast between the races by giving educated, urban accents to the Elves and Gondor, and Scottish accents for those stout, enterprising visitors from far away.
 11 Morwen Edhelwen, Sun, 20th Oct '13 3:33:53 AM from Sydney, Australia
Tolkien freak
[up]Not completely true— Snorri describes the dokkalfar or dark elves (another name for dwarves) as "black as pitch."

edited 20th Oct '13 3:37:33 AM by MorwenEdhelwen

The road goes ever on. -Tolkien
 12 Septimus Heap, Sun, 20th Oct '13 3:41:34 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
Uh, that post is a year old...

[up][up]

Could you explain your objection? RJ Savoy makes three points in his post, and your reply doesn't mention which one you're objecting to.

edited 25th Oct '13 1:42:13 AM by AndrewGPaul

The system doesn't know you right now, so no post button for you.
You need to Get Known to get one of those.
Total posts: 13
1


TV Tropes by TV Tropes Foundation, LLC is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License.
Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org.
Privacy Policy