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#1: Mar 6th 2012 at 9:18:25 AM

Pop quiz: considering the well-known trope A Day in the Limelight, what on earth is A Day In The Slime Light?

First, it's not thriving (20 wicks, 27 inbounds).

Second, it's basically The Same But More: it is A Day in the Limelight, where the focus character is one of those mooks that gets killed all the time (the header claims it must be a Mascot Mook, but most of the examples aren't).

Third, the page mixes up spin-offs and special episodes (i.e. a Story Trope), and merely having some weird critter as an extra playable character in a video game (i.e. a Gameplay Trope).

And fourth, there's the awful Snow Clone, because the trope has nothing to do with slime. Needless to say, this is not an established term.

I think some merging or renaming is in order, and would like to hear further opinions.

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#2: Mar 6th 2012 at 9:27:05 AM

I'd say trash it and send it back to YKTTW for a better name and definition. It's a classic example of a trope that wasn't baked enough.

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#3: Mar 6th 2012 at 9:38:14 AM

I suspect this was created purely for the pun. Not viable.

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#4: Mar 6th 2012 at 10:22:12 AM

If it's The Same But More then we can do without it

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#5: Mar 6th 2012 at 10:28:31 AM

Let's see guessing... Trope Namer is Slime from Dragon Quest and it's Spinoff / Gaiden Game s like Rocket Slime and such.

[up] It isnt really that. That is lesser character gets an episode about them.

This is Mascot Mook (which you kill by the hundreds in the source material.) gets its own Gaiden Game or Web Comic or whatever about them... Does it have to be in the same continuity or anything like that nope...

edited 6th Mar '12 10:33:37 AM by Raso

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Mar 6th 2012 at 10:31:49 AM

I think this is the trope and the related tropes (note that episode could just as easily be game, film, etc):

It's closely related to Lower-Deck Episode and Villain Episode, but I don't think it's The Same But More.

edited 6th Mar '12 10:32:15 AM by ccoa

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#7: Mar 6th 2012 at 10:37:58 AM

[up] The Mook in Mascot Mook is a bit misleading sure these are enemies but they certainly do not have to serve the villain or anything like that. (Like say Chocobos in Final Fantasy rideable and Random Encounter fodder they got their own spinoffs Chocobo Racing and such.)

That said I do support a rename to Mascot Mook Spinoff... Or expanding it to just Mascot Spinoff.

edited 6th Mar '12 10:41:08 AM by Raso

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#8: Mar 6th 2012 at 10:54:14 AM

[up][up] So this is basically the same as Lower-Deck Episode, then.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Mar 6th 2012 at 12:05:45 PM

Sort of. Lower-Deck Episode is geared to describe good guys, for one. For another, Mooks aren't usually characters, they're a kind of plot device.

I see it as distinct enough to trope, I think.

^^ I don't think it has to be the Mascot Mook. Mook Spinoff? Mook Episode? Mook In The Limelight?

edited 6th Mar '12 12:06:24 PM by ccoa

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#10: Mar 6th 2012 at 12:22:13 PM

The way I figure, there's a difference between part of a work focusing on a different character (usually one episode of an ongoing TV series); and a completely new work focusing on that character (i.e. a spinoff).

A Buffy episode focusing on Jonathon is the former; a Zelda game focusing on Tingle is the latter.

Since A Day in the Limelight is basically the former, and this trope is mostly the latter, it shouldn't be Snow Cloned like this.

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#11: Mar 6th 2012 at 12:40:20 PM

I like Mook Spinoff or Minor Character Spin Off, depending on whether the minor character has to be a Mook or not. I mean, would the TV show Joanie Loves Chachi be an example? Both Joanie (Cunningham) and Chachi (Fonzarelli) were minor characters, but they weren't mooks by any stretch. How about Laverne And Shirley? Same parent show, and they were even more minor characters.

edited 6th Mar '12 12:42:59 PM by Madrugada

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#12: Mar 6th 2012 at 1:18:57 PM

We could make Minor Character Spinoff, and make the mook version an internal subtrope. I'm not sure either is so common we need both.

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#13: Mar 6th 2012 at 1:27:11 PM

This is definitely a trope, but is it a very common one? Is there a reason you'd expect it to have more wicks than it does?

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#15: Mar 8th 2012 at 9:32:53 AM

Because I can think of more than 20 examples off the top of my head.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#16: Mar 13th 2012 at 12:00:47 PM

Crowner ahoy. Feel free to add more options.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#17: Mar 21st 2012 at 6:19:11 AM

I'd like to see a few more votes on this, but consensus seems pretty clear so far.

Snapshot:

8 (yeas:8 nays:0) Rename.

1 (yeas:4 nays:3) Broaden to be about minor characters in general instead of just mooks. Rename.

-4 (yeas:1 nays:5) Merge into Lower Deck Episode.

-6 (yeas:0 nays:6) Do Nothing

edited 21st Mar '12 6:20:45 AM by ccoa

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pawsplay Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Mar 21st 2012 at 9:14:29 AM

It is weird that this was snowcloned from Day in the Limelight, when it's actually a subtrope of Breakout Character. Breakout Mook Character, basically.

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#19: Mar 21st 2012 at 9:53:36 AM

It's related, but it's not a direct subtrope. Breakout Character only sometimes leads to a spin off.

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#20: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:05:49 PM

This also only sometimes leads to a spinoff,

A spin-off game or story (or a side story or special episode) that focuses on a Mascot Mook whose only purpose was to die by the dozen in the original.

which makes it a subtrope.

edited 21st Mar '12 1:06:34 PM by pawsplay

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Mar 21st 2012 at 1:49:06 PM

So it does. My bad.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: Mar 22nd 2012 at 1:51:27 PM

Votes are still trickling in on this one. Let's give it another day or two.

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#23: Apr 3rd 2012 at 12:44:53 PM

Calling crowner. 8:1 in favor of renaming.

Empty alt-title crowner hooked.

edited 3rd Apr '12 12:46:52 PM by MetaFour

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#24: Apr 16th 2012 at 10:18:56 AM

Bumping for votes.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#25: May 16th 2012 at 6:07:19 AM

Bumping once again for votes.

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