Embarassing crap on the wiki

How would you recommend something like that without being creepy?

Contains nonconsensual sex between Pinkie Pie and other characters?

edited 10th Apr '12 5:47:46 PM by ccoa

Or rather, how would you recommend it without being creepy, and make sure that people know what they're getting into?

edited 10th Apr '12 5:45:36 PM by setnakhte

I can't believe we are seriously having this kind of discussion. The internet is amazing.

edited 10th Apr '12 5:47:47 PM by Elbruno

nvm

Granted I don't think the original post I made here was that bad. Rape would be permitted not for sexuality, because it does happen in fiction as part of a theme for trauma or otherwise anything heinous. I just wasn't thinking the time I made the post, but luckily avoided making myself sound stupidly bad...

edited 10th Apr '12 6:07:20 PM by EarlOfSandvich

Fanfiction is serious business, doncha know?

My problem with that, (aside from the children's cartoon rape,) is that it's way too vague. "Contains nonconsensual sex between Pinkie Pie and other characters" tells you nothing, aside from the fact that any civilized human being should run as far the fuck away as possible.

edited 10th Apr '12 6:02:43 PM by setnakhte

How about something like, "WARNING! CONTAINS SCENE WHERE FICTIONAL PONY IS RAPED!"?

edited 10th Apr '12 6:01:07 PM by Raidouthe21st

I prefer the option where we simply don't put a link to a fic where a fictional pony gets raped and let anyone who's interested in such a thing use the wonderful resource called google.

If memory serves from last time I got involved in a debate over this, that idea was declared to be "too prudish".

I agree. I also thought that Eddie's proclamation encompassed blatantly illegal things as well? And for the love of your chosen deity, please tell me pony rape is illegal.

Of course it is.

Can we just have a blanket ban on reccing clopfics? I know we're going to every length here not to be prudish, but Jesus Christ.

^^ Depends on the jurisdiction, but in most cases I'm guessing "no", if only because it wouldn't occur to a mentally fit person that such should need to be outlawed in the first place.

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And for the actual topic of this specific conversation, while I personally have no interest in clopfics I'm somewhat less than thrilled with the notion of banning the recs altogether, but if they are given a blanket ban I think I'll manage to contain any weeping and gnashing of teeth on my part.

edited 10th Apr '12 6:26:16 PM by Nohbody

I'm going to stand by my previous statement that I am really not interested in seeing, hearing, or thinking about pony porn. The idea of it just bothers me.

Just because something is technically allowed by the rules doesn't mean the it's not disturbing. Any recs that are written in a creepy manner are free to be cleaned up.

I seriously believe that any rec for fics that are just a excuse to explicitely show rape should be nuked inmediately. And yes, I also include the bullshit that does not involve talking horses.

edited 10th Apr '12 6:24:52 PM by Elbruno

True. Rape for rape's sake is not what I consider okay. If it's a well-written element that demonstrates trauma or anything serious like that, that's another thing as long as it doesn't go into detail.

edited 10th Apr '12 6:27:49 PM by EarlOfSandvich

We shouldn't permit bestiality recs either, though, which surely rules out most explicit MLP fanfics anyway.

And I mean, stating the obvious, I know, but it's a fucking children's show about cartoon horses.

So, we all agree that Fanfic recs involving explicit pony sex should be deleted?

My oh my, times sure have changed.

Just don't allow fanfics about cartoon horses fucking in general. They won't do anything good for our reputation and come on, do we really need them?

Meh, the internet's done worse.

I just said rape. Not that I'm defending those "clopfics" (seriously, where the hell did they get that "clop" onomatopoeia?), but hey, it's their kink. It's not like people can say they accidentaly find a fic rec like that when looking at a freaking Shipping folder in a show about freaking talking horses.

Let's discuss a single premise: Brilliant things can be done with explicit sex in fanfic. This is a premise some people in this topic do not seem to share, and I don't know how to convince anyone of this. I could link fanfics I thought were brilliant that contained explicit sex, but brilliance is subjective, so I can't actually prove anything.

Now, if we accept the premise that brilliant things can be done with explicit sex in fanfic, I don't think sex between cartoon ponies is any worse than sex between cartoon humans. Thus, if we accept links to explicit human sex, I think we should accept links to explicit pony sex. The problem seems to be that people who would be happiest if we banned links to explicitly sexual fanfics are happier by degrees according to how much explicitly sexual fanfic they can ban links to (a bit like how people who're against contraception campaign to ban women's contraception because they can't get away with banning all contraception.)

edited 10th Apr '12 6:37:03 PM by feotakahari

I dare say there is worse out there, but I was not under the impression that we were planning on endorsing every bizarre thing the Internet shits out.

Given the nature of the show, MLP porn fics are creepy by definition. Furthermore, any work that eroticizes pony sex would fall under bestiality, which is illegal and wrong.

Well put feotakahari.

Anything involving porn of obviously fictional characters that aren't even ownership of the author can be creepy by definition, and without even taking a single look at the species involved.

I'll say it again, the stuff that ticks me off is rape. I mean it's rape! Human, horse or cardboard box, it's fucking rape!

edited 10th Apr '12 6:44:40 PM by Elbruno

Er, the bestiality bit is wrong technically. Bestiality is humans having sex with animals. Not intelligent anthropomorphic creatures having sex with other intelligent anthropomorphic stuff. Pony stuff falls into the same category as other furry stuff. It's not my thing and it makes me twitch, but it's not bestiality. It's just weird and disturbs me.

I really don't want to get more involved than I already am, but I'd like to note that bestiality is illegal because animals are nonsentient and cannot grant consent, and therefore it is rape by definition. Sex between two sentient animals—no matter how much it squicks everyone out—is not bestiality in the legal sense.

ninja'ed

edited 10th Apr '12 6:43:57 PM by Discar