Not Thriving: Breast Sponge

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126 MarqFJA9th Apr 2012 07:11:42 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
[up] Okay, so what kind of crowner? We are currently discussing expanding the trope, and renaming it accordingly, with a possible splitting off of specific subtrope(s) if the relevant examples are numerous enough.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
127 SeptimusHeap9th Apr 2012 07:12:58 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole!
[up]Single prop. If the trope isn't thriving, we should wait until it thrives before splitting subtropes off.
128 MarqFJA9th Apr 2012 07:15:01 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
... And how does one make crowners? Because I don't remember there being a guide to crowner-making or a visible "click here to make a crowner" button anywhere, despite numerous requests for it.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
You go in FAQ. How to fix a trope.

Or How Crowners Work.
What goes around, comes around
what goes up, must come down
130 SeptimusHeap9th Apr 2012 07:19:40 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole!
Nevermind. I'll do it.

ETA: Done and hook-hollered.

edited 9th Apr '12 7:21:04 AM by SeptimusHeap

131 BestOf9th Apr 2012 07:22:20 AM from Finland , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
Crowner hooked.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
132 MarqFJA9th Apr 2012 07:24:20 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
Shouldn't the question be "Expand Breast Sponge's definition"?
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
133 Spark99th Apr 2012 08:22:24 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] If the trope is expanded to cover more than just breasts, then it should be renamed to reflect that. Conversely, if the trope is not renamed, then it doesn't really make sense to expand it either. So it's the same question.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
134 MarqFJA9th Apr 2012 08:24:04 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
Then make it "Expand and rename Breast Sponge", then. We want to be clear about what's going to be implemented.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
The trope is thriving. It's gotten hundreds of inbounds since it was renamed. It has a small number of examples because it doesn't occur very often in fiction.
Rhymes with "Protracted."
136 Spark99th Apr 2012 09:28:12 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] It occurs very often in the kinds of fiction that this wiki doesn't like to write about, though.

Also, there's an established real-world term for it, and where possible we should default to using existing terms rather than terms we made up.

And 550 inbounds for a sex-related trope? That's really not a lot.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
If we don't have pages for works that it occurs in, of course the wick count is going to be relatively low. tongue
Rhymes with "Protracted."
138 MarqFJA9th Apr 2012 10:44:49 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
No, I'm fairly certain that we have lots of works with pages that have this trope either actually occurring, discussed/mentioned by a character, or being part of an Imagine Spot.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
139 lebrel9th Apr 2012 10:53:42 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
@137: I don't read the kind of stuff where this actually happens, but I've seen a fair number of (mostly joking) references in shoujo that we have pages for (if I come across it in the future I'll try to post the examples). References to the concept are not uncommon.
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
Winged Doom
Bump. Any other thoughts?
WE CLAIM THIS LAND FOR THE HIGH LORD. GOD BLESS THIS LAND AND OUR HIGH LORD.
141 MarqFJA14th Apr 2012 05:57:05 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
The rename doesn't seem to be getting sufficient support.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
Winged Doom
Then, what do we do? Have it closed?
WE CLAIM THIS LAND FOR THE HIGH LORD. GOD BLESS THIS LAND AND OUR HIGH LORD.
143 MarqFJA14th Apr 2012 06:10:51 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
I think we should scrap this crowner, and do a new Single Proposition that actually describes in the "At issue" box the rationale for suggesting an expansion and rename for the trope. IIRC, in many cases much of a crowner's voters don't bother reading through the TRS in the first place, hence they might not understand why the trope needs a rename/expansion.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
144 SeptimusHeap14th Apr 2012 06:28:56 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Tadpole!
[up]You can still add "at issue" to the current crowner.
145 Spark914th Apr 2012 07:17:40 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up][up] You've got a point: a crowner that doesn't explain why will just cause people to vote it down. Numerous people won't read a long thread before voting.

edited 14th Apr '12 7:17:58 AM by Spark9

Special trousers. Very heroic.
146 MarqFJA14th Apr 2012 07:36:31 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
Okay, so what do we put in the "At issue" box? We don't want it to be too long, nor do we want it to be too short or lacking in important points. Reasons so far are that it's not thriving despite a previous rename, and that it's been noted that the core concept is much broader than the trope's launcher had thought.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
Winged Doom
"Expand Breast Sponge to any usage of bare body to wash another person, and rename accordingly", or something similar. Would that work?

edited 14th Apr '12 8:22:48 AM by OneMore

WE CLAIM THIS LAND FOR THE HIGH LORD. GOD BLESS THIS LAND AND OUR HIGH LORD.
148 Spark914th Apr 2012 08:36:19 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Perhaps add a note that the common usage of this trope uses more than just boobs.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
149 MarqFJA14th Apr 2012 09:26:27 AM from Saudi Arabia , Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
One vision, one purpose
That sounds like something that would go into the single-propostion option itself.
Where there is Distress, therein lies a Story. Where there is a Story, therein lies a Will. Where there is a Will, therein lies a Soul.
Someone cutlisted this trope. I objected to the cutlisting and posted a link to this thread on the discussion page.
Fzzr Miller because underscores are broken

Alternative Titles: Breast Sponge
6th May '12 3:53:25 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:

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