Not Thriving: Breast Sponge

Okay, so what kind of crowner? We are currently discussing expanding the trope, and renaming it accordingly, with a possible splitting off of specific subtrope(s) if the relevant examples are numerous enough.

Single prop. If the trope isn't thriving, we should wait until it thrives before splitting subtropes off.

... And how does one make crowners? Because I don't remember there being a guide to crowner-making or a visible "click here to make a crowner" button anywhere, despite numerous requests for it.

You go in FAQ. How to fix a trope.

Or How Crowners Work.

Nevermind. I'll do it.

ETA: Done and hook-hollered.

edited 9th Apr '12 7:21:04 AM by SeptimusHeap

Crowner hooked.

Shouldn't the question be "Expand Breast Sponge's definition"?

If the trope is expanded to cover more than just breasts, then it should be renamed to reflect that. Conversely, if the trope is not renamed, then it doesn't really make sense to expand it either. So it's the same question.

Then make it "Expand and rename Breast Sponge", then. We want to be clear about what's going to be implemented.

The trope is thriving. It's gotten hundreds of inbounds since it was renamed. It has a small number of examples because it doesn't occur very often in fiction.

It occurs very often in the kinds of fiction that this wiki doesn't like to write about, though.

Also, there's an established real-world term for it, and where possible we should default to using existing terms rather than terms we made up.

And 550 inbounds for a sex-related trope? That's really not a lot.

If we don't have pages for works that it occurs in, of course the wick count is going to be relatively low.

No, I'm fairly certain that we have lots of works with pages that have this trope either actually occurring, discussed/mentioned by a character, or being part of an Imagine Spot.

@137: I don't read the kind of stuff where this actually happens, but I've seen a fair number of (mostly joking) references in shoujo that we have pages for (if I come across it in the future I'll try to post the examples). References to the concept are not uncommon.

Bump. Any other thoughts?

The rename doesn't seem to be getting sufficient support.

Then, what do we do? Have it closed?

I think we should scrap this crowner, and do a new Single Proposition that actually describes in the "At issue" box the rationale for suggesting an expansion and rename for the trope. IIRC, in many cases much of a crowner's voters don't bother reading through the TRS in the first place, hence they might not understand why the trope needs a rename/expansion.

You can still add "at issue" to the current crowner.

You've got a point: a crowner that doesn't explain why will just cause people to vote it down. Numerous people won't read a long thread before voting.

edited 14th Apr '12 7:17:58 AM by Spark9

Okay, so what do we put in the "At issue" box? We don't want it to be too long, nor do we want it to be too short or lacking in important points. Reasons so far are that it's not thriving despite a previous rename, and that it's been noted that the core concept is much broader than the trope's launcher had thought.

"Expand Breast Sponge to any usage of bare body to wash another person, and rename accordingly", or something similar. Would that work?

edited 14th Apr '12 8:22:48 AM by OneMore

Perhaps add a note that the common usage of this trope uses more than just boobs.

That sounds like something that would go into the single-propostion option itself.

Someone cutlisted this trope. I objected to the cutlisting and posted a link to this thread on the discussion page.