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Very bad snowclone New Crowner: 02/15/12: Token Deity get usage counts

 126 shimaspawn, Wed, 22nd Feb '12 4:04:57 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] No, it's only affirmative action if you make her into a minority. If you turn her into a man, it doesn't count. It's ignoring half the trope.

Remember, the reason we're renaming this is because it's not about tokens or minorities. We're trying to get away from names that focus on that. They're artificially narrowing the trope.

edited 22nd Feb '12 4:08:47 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
It's only Affirmative Action if it's a justified tokenism. If you cast Morgan Freeman as God, probably the best reason to do so is that he does it so well. That would not be Affirmative Action. The assumption that all unconventional castings are Affirmative Action relies on the assumption that the under-represented minority is almost never simply the best choice. I really hope no one is really, truly intending to say that every time a non mature white male is cast as God, a more qualified mature white male has likely been bumped from the role for the sake of diversity.

Affirmative Action is intended to address systemic inequalities that cannot be addressed by looking at individual cases. It is not intended to replace a merit-based process, but to level the playing field in the long run.

This is not Affirmative Action, unless you think there is a concerted effort to find work in Hollywood for minority actors (hint: No, there isn't).
 
 128 Marq FJA, Wed, 22nd Feb '12 6:02:35 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Do note that this trope isn't limited to live-action. Drawn works, video games, etc. are also within its purview.
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 129 shimaspawn, Wed, 22nd Feb '12 6:06:09 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, in those cases Affirmative Action doesn't count if you're turning a Goddess into a white male. Affirmative Action is not part of the trope.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
If you cast Morgan Freeman as God, he's the one doing you a favor.
 
This trope is about when you cast someone to play god specifically because they don't fit the typical presentation of that god. It's the same logic as affirmative action. An actor is cast as god not because they're the best person to play the part, but because their race or gender is different from the people who normally play that part.

I don't think "affirmative action" is an applicable term. This trope involves a decision made for artistic reasons, with the goal to make a statement to or impression with the audience. Affirmative action exists to enact social change. Totally different goals.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
@ Shimaspawn No, it's only affirmative action if you make her into a minority. If you turn her into a man, it doesn't count. It's ignoring half the trope

Other comments have convinced me that Affirmative Action isn't the best name, but I still want to say that this comment of yours is completely wrong, and missing the point.

Um, I don't feel I can unilaterally edit crowner examples, but somebody just added an "option" which is nothing but a con about Divine Race Lift. I added it to the Divine Race Lift option, but the separate option should be blanked.

Also, somebody added "Cons: Just awful, don't vote for this one" to Shes A White Man In Japan. Seriously, can I delete that?

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 134 lu 127, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 12:35:14 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Why are thread posts added in the crowner? Stop it, Classy Myths.

Deleted them.

edited 23rd Feb '12 12:36:10 PM by lu127

迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
Responding to the crowner-option-as-thread-post:

I don't think Divine Race Lift would work. It's inevitable that this Trope is going to be full of examples of the Judeo-Christian God, and the Bible doesn't say anything about his race.

The trope is about media representations that subvert the most common representation (which for the Christian sky god is usually a white male human). The Bible is only one source; arguably that's an example of this.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
 136 shimaspawn, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:10:53 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Crowner has been up long enough. Calling it for Divine Race Lift.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 137 lu 127, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:16:10 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
We are completely scrapping this name, right?

EDIT: Page and redirect made. After the discussion is moved, we should be done here.

edited 23rd Feb '12 1:23:21 PM by lu127

迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
 138 Madrugada, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:30:41 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Discussion is moved.

Have the wicks been corrected, including moving them the the correct alphabetical position?

edited 23rd Feb '12 1:31:21 PM by Madrugada

'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 139 lu 127, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:32:07 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Almost there. Should this remain on the Token Index?
迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
 140 Madrugada, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:35:12 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
I don't think so.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 141 lu 127, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:36:04 PM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Ok then, everything looks done. I think it's safe to lock.
迷子の足音消えた
代わりに祈りの唄
 142 Madrugada, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:36:32 PM Relationship Status: In season
With Mod Hat On
Locking

Thank all of you for your efforts.
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
 143 Septimus Heap, Thu, 23rd Feb '12 1:38:23 PM from Muggio Valley, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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I got the page, the rest of the wicks, the quotes page, Renamed Tropes and the FAQ discussion

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Alternative Titles: Token Deity
15th Feb '12 6:22:41 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
The reason we are renaming this trope is to stop the misconception that this trope is exclusively about a god not being white and/or male.

This trope is about a deity portrayed as a different race or gender than their standard portrayal for example the Abrahamic god as a black woman or the Hindu Goddess Shiva being a white male.

This trope is NOT restricted to the Judeo-Christian God. Names must be able to cover ALL deities from ALL religions.
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