I will say this - I still don't like how this movie looks, but I dig how it feels.
Also, Here's the thread you were looking for.
edited 7th Feb '12 11:46:40 AM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.eh. lets just use this thread.
"You found my weakness! Small knives!"
Looks decent. Seeing Spidey quip makes it all the more better.
However I just hope it doesn't feel like a rehash of the last film. At least we get focus on his parents.
I am not feeling my confidence grow with talk of Peter being a genetic experiment by his father. One Ang Lee Hulk movie was enough. . .
Home of CBR Rumbles-in-Exile: rumbles.fr.yuku.comThe trailer looks nice, but I'm afraid it misses the point of the character entirely.
Peter Parker's parents should never have a part in Spidey's origin. Peter's devotion to do good comes from the direct influence of his surrogate parents, Aunt May and Uncle Ben.
At its core, Spider-Man is a story of a teenager learning to become a man. Before becoming a superhero, Peter Parker was pretty much your typical teenaged outcast: he was self-serving (the first thing he did after obtaining superpower is trying to make money out of it), he was petty and vindictive (refusing to stop the burglar that would go on to kill Uncle Ben). And he paid a great price for that immaturity: the loss of the person he loves the most. It is only after that incident that encourage the boy to take his uncle's teaching ("with great power comes great responsibility") to heart, and with his gift, Peter vows never to have the same thing happened to Aunt May or anybody else again.
How and why Spider-Man gained his power (which the movie seems to focus on) is insignificant. The important thing is how and why he chose to be a hero.
edited 5th May '12 12:32:49 AM by Nightwire
I think that as long as they get the "with great power comes great responsibility", everything else will be incidental. Uncle Ben as motivation is classic Spidey, but we've seen that. It's okay if they want to make their Spidey unique.
ophelia, you're breaking my heartThis is ultimate Spidey, right? I thought how he gets his powers are more significant in that series? Besides, we've seen Uncle Ben a thousand times. Having something a little unique is good with me.
Furthermore, I like how it seems like the cops are treating him like a super powered-vigilante rather than a superhero. It's a refreshing change.
Also, is that Gwen Stacy? I smell The Night Gwen Stacy Died coming...
I have to admit, I hope this goes the way of the Green Lantern.
Purely selfish reasons for this, of course.
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Spiderman must become part of the MCU.
Not necessarily. I think Spider-Man works best as a solo hero and I'm not really that craving for 5 second fanservice cameos either. I liked The Avengers but I've never been a big fan of hole comic book universe cross-overs, where most characters are just glorified extras.
I'm personally a big fan of continuity and whatnot. I also think Marvel should be the ones that decide what happens to Spiderman. Not Sony.
Then they shouldn't have sold the movie rights. The best thing about the good movie adaptations is that they don't have to deal with all the baggage the comics have.
When they sold the movie rights Marvel wasn't capable of making movies on their own. Now they are. I'd rather Spidey be part of the MCU than not.
Moreso than necessarily being in the MCU, I'd personally like a film universe where Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four can coexist.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.Excuse me, but continuity is hardly the clusterfuck people seem to think it is. Yeah, you will not know about every detail of the backstory jumping in at a recent point, but its framed in such a way that both new readers and old can enjoy it. Hell, the Avengers was a good example of this. If you went into the Avengers without seeing any of the previous movies, it was still easy to pick up on what was going on. Its just that seeing the other movies enriched the experience that much more.
Plus, if Spiderman was in the MCU, they'd be able to do Spiderman stories. New Avengers could happen. If they got the Fantastic Four, Spiderman could show up in one of their movies to help out. He does that a lot in the comics.
edited 21st May '12 6:26:06 PM by Zeromaeus
In general, Spiderman's comics are among the most immediately accessible comics out there - it doesn't have all the baggage that stuff like X-Men have, and it isn't hard to just jump into.
Pretty much all you need to understand a Spiderman anything is to know who Spider-Man and to remember always start at the beginning of a storyline (which is a general rule for anything: if you enter a movie halfway through, you'll always have no idea what's going on). Pretty much all Spider-Man stories are self contained and don't rely on being referential in order to be understood.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.Well, to be fair, New Avengers also had Wolverine playing a prominent role (like he always does), so there's that.
But yeah, I do want this movie to be good to get rid of the bad taste in my mouth Spider Man 3 left, but if this movie's failure leads to a better chance of Marvel getting Spidey back then I'd allow this movie to bomb. It would definitely be selfish, but my inner fanboy doesn't care one damn bit.
And regarding the movies, there really is no continuity, other than what the MCU has established. It doesn't really matter how well you know the comics, because as long as you can follow the movies you're all set.
edited 21st May '12 9:08:55 PM by Watchtower
Actually, I think the short-sided goal would be to have have this iteration succeed, because yeas it would kind of overwrite the mistakes that three made, but it wouldn't be building toward anything greater. Having it go to Marvel Studios would be completely long-term as far as seeing anything come from it. He would have to be established in that universe before anything more involved could happen. Though it would be best to have him established sooner than later due to the nature of Hollywood and the shifting interest of the masses.
Ah, right. Trying too hard to sound poetic, and now I'm just saying shit that's completely opposite to my point. Retracted and edited.
I guess it could be cute to see Human torch and Spider-Man fighting or something like that but I think Spider-Man (comics) has good enough supporting cast on its own. Maybe I just don't see the appeal of Spider-Man as a supporting character.
edited 23rd May '12 10:56:32 AM by harkko
<shrug> It's more that if they're going to cross Spidey over with anyone it might as well be the Fantastic Four, as they kind of mesh together best.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.Spider-Man 3 was a mess, but who the hell thought that the answer was to re-make the first Spider-Man movie, an outstanding film that (if first impressions are any guide) the new movie won't even begin to measure up to? Some executives...
Cant seem to find the old thread so here's the new trailer.