All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

Yes, it's called 'politics'.

The better term is realpolitik. But yes, Saber Lily is actually a Saber that could be, but this not only just about her innocent self; Lily is pretty much in peace with the fact that she's a girl, that she can rule through love (Sir Kay and Sir Bedievere represent the stick ahem, sword, and Lancy-kun both), and that being a girly girl doesn't impede your skills in ruling.

Admittedly, this... a bit hard to pull off, and that she might had to knock some head (or even more likely, put some "unreasonable" head on pikes) before her rule starts working, but the potential is there.

Saber Lily is her from immediately after she pulled out Caliburn, but before she became King. It seems there was as a time period between her pulling out Caliburn and becoming King Arthur, which could very well have been years - Saber is ageless from the moment she pulled Caliburn from the stone after all.

I meant before she hit sweet 15 and decided to pull out the sword in the stone.

Is ever any blurbs on Arturia when before she pulls the sword? Did she raised as girly girl or raised as boy? Because if there's not, then I assume that even before the sword-pulling thing, she raised as a boy, or maybe a tomboy-leaning girl.

Saber Lily, as a whole, kind of have different concept about leadership (including gender roles) with Vanilla (heh, heh) Saber.

She was raised as a knight by another knight (Sir Ector) alongside a squire who eventually becomes one of her most trusted knights (Sir Kay).

From the wiki, on her childhood as described in the VN and whatever supplemental sources that elaborated on the topic:

So yeah, you can see why I feel incredulous at the idea that Saber Lily is just Saber Classic before she pulled the sword out. Pre-Caliburn Saber sounds largely the same as post-Caliburn Saber in terms of personality (minus the emotionless persona that she had to assume during her kingship).

Wait so Kay would just say things like "I have a sword, your argument is invalid" to win debates with Arturia?

Man that's fun to think about.

I'd argue that they weren't completely the same but my interpretation of Artoria's character may not line up with yours.

Either way, I agree that Lily is just nonsense as is most things to come out of GO.

More like, "I'm your Elder Brother, your argument is invalid. Also, I have better reach than yours" *start clonking poor Artie in head*

I still think Lily should be a Artoria that had a better relationship with Morgan(no, not like that you perverts. She's her big sister for god's sake)growing up and thus never lost Caliburn due to Morgan's trickery.

edited 16th Feb '16 5:55:33 AM by LordofLore

We don't know when or how Caliburn was lost. All we know is that it was destroyed in some battle when Arthur went against the code of chivalry.

Really? The wiki says this:

edited 16th Feb '16 5:45:51 AM by LordofLore

I just searched through the pages on Artoria, Lily, and Caliburn and the wiki says no such thing.

Look at Morgan's page.

I had to check the sources and it turns out that said bit is from Kay's chapter. However, what the wiki said is wrong as the exact quote is this: "Ah, but somewhere along the way she fell into Morgan’s trap thanks to a certain someone’s womanizing and lost Caliburn."

Merlin might have been the one behind the womanizing but not necessarily. Also, that was well after she had mastered Caliburn.

Either way, Caliburn breaking when Artoria fought a battle that went against the code of chivalry doesn't contradict that.

Also, reading said chapter further emphasizes the fact that Artoria wasn't even really human before she pulled Caliburn. While she apparently acted just like a town girl when in a town, she "never personally experienced what it was she was trying to protect." This makes Saber Lily being such a girly girl even more patently absurd unless she was from a rather different universe.

edited 16th Feb '16 7:26:06 AM by Zelenal

...from now on, any fic I write that uses Arturia, will use Saber Lily instead of Saber.

Any particular reason why?

...because I can't freaking stand regular Saber? Does that work as a reason?

See, the thing is, you're all assuming that Saber Lily is a normal girly girl just because of the way she dresses.

She's... not really. She's as much of a normal girly girl as the Penguin King is. She's definitely more feminine, yes, but she's still a female Knight in a time where such an idea is patently absurd. She still does all sorts of things that are traditionally left to men. She might dress feminine and openly show her gender.

Also, don't trust the wiki in terms of lore. I don't trust it for translations, 'cause they don't always get the best ones. I rely on what the stuff the guys from BL provide says, their translations tend to be more accurate. Remember CanonRap, the guy who made the Vetus wordpress for Negima? He does translations for Nasuverse stuff over at beast's lair sometimes. So you can trust that they've got higher standards with regards to stuff like this.

She also likes horses. A lot. So much so that I'm surprised I haven't found fanart of her fornicating with equines. Her Valentine's Chocolate has a horse in it, even.

Anyway, her My Room dialogue also notes that she doesn't really want to be King, and would rather just be a squire. Which actually explains why Saber wanted someone else to be King instead of her. She never wanted the job to begin with, and is simply too dutiful to say no.

Also, since we're almost certainly going to get an Artoria for every class (and another one for Lancer, and possibly another one for Assassin, this one wielding the Little White Hilt with the name that I cannot possibly pronounce, much less write)...

I actually have an idea of how Caster Artoria could possibly be. I was thinking Jeanne Alter's skill Dragon Witch for her main method of fighting (summoning dragons, controlling them, and using dragon related magic) and using Vortigern for her NP (Vortigern is a demonic red dragon in Nasuverse Lore, and while yeah, summoning a mount would be a Rider thing, I didn't intend for her to mount it, plus, if she's summoned as Rider, it'd be with Llamrei, her actual horse (which Lancer Alter inexplicably has)).

edited 16th Feb '16 12:55:24 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

I thought you had begun to tolerate her at some point. My mistake.

The translation of that chapter that I read was from BL. It's the only reason why I trusted it.

At the end of the day, I do tolerate her.

That said, I'd rather work with characters that I actually like on some level.

... So we're in agreement here.

To be fair, you only started to tolerate her after someone explained her motivations to you.

I think most of your dislike for her stems from misunderstandings.

Anyway, moving on and speaking about misunderstandings...

I'm kind of on an "Artoria Caster" kick right now, so imma write it down.

'kay, to start with, after the Fuyuki fire, Avalon succesfully changes Shirou's Origin to 'Sword', but does not change his affinity as well... because the resultant flame from the most epic Grail War clusterfuck until the next one happened did that already, so Shirou's affinity is now fire.

Years down the line, the master that would summon Medea... is a complete nincompoop and accidentally summons her as Assassin instead. Of course, Medea is still freaking Medea, so she's still a Caster in Shady Clothing, so stuff goes about how it should on that end.

However, class shuffles are shuffles, so in the spirit of making the war a great huge clusterfuck, the Einzberns are slightly less stupid and instead of summoning Herakles as a mad lunatic that can only roar incomprehensibly and not use any of his prodigious skill with weapons, he is instead summoned as Archer. Naturally, this alone puts him in a situation where Illya would have to screw up big time to lose this war.

So let's give him some decent opponents. First of all, EMIYA is summoned as Saber instead of Archer. He gets all the advantages of both classes, he's just better at melee now. He'll still be one of the weaker servants, but now he at least won't be absolutely boned in a melee fight with anyone but Caster.

Cu Chulainn is still Lancer, but he gets summoned in Ireland, so he gets his FGO Third Ascencion gear and the ability to use the chariot he's supposed to have, plus the popularity boost.

Medusa is summoned as Berserker, and gets all the advantages that it gives her. She uses Mad Enhancement when she's under Shinji, and looks like your average portrayal of Medusa, but Sakura doesn't make her use it so she turns it off when outside of combat. Also her Monstrous Strength increases in rank and becomes more and more powerful the longer she remains in the form of a monster.

And then Shirou summons the War's caster. Because he still has Avalon as a catalyst, he still summons Arturia. Caster Arturia, who was trained by Merlin in the use of magic instead of being left solely in the care of Sir Ector, exploiting that massive potential that she has due to that Red Dragon Core thing she has. So she's similar to Saber, but has an approach to problem solving that would make Lina Inverse approve, and the ability to conjure dragon fire. So basically, it'd be King Arthur if King Arthur answered every problem with copious amounts of dragon's breath.

Of course, I'd have to include at least one instance of Merlin singing Trogdor but altered to fit King Arthur's modus operandi. "Burninating the countryside, burninating the invaders, burninating all their peoples, and their thatched roof COTTAGES!"

So Artoria Caster is an Uchiha?