All-Purpose Nasuverse Fanfiction Thread

So here's another exercise for us. I'm sad that the 4HGW with the Servants of the 5th idea never got much work but maybe we can kick a few ideas around for this. I already brought it up in the main thread but it's a discussion a bit more suited for here, I think.

What if Shirou had found Medea instead of Souichirou? Do you think she would have contracted with him? If she did, what changes do you think would have been made (I would imagine a lot would be made due to that being a pretty huge nail)?

I'm aware that Path of the King basically already did this but I'm talking about if it were a more proper route in the vein of Chaos Theory (everything leading up to that one choice is the same and every difference afterward is because of that choice).

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Huh, that's something. Let's open the field wider. "What would happen if X had met Medea instead of Souichirou", where X such that X is equal to any other character...

If Shirou shows his usual selfless kindness towards her without even knowing who or what she is (since he doesn't know about Servants or the Grail War), then I see no reason why Medea wouldn't fall in love with him, given that that's the very reason she did the same with Kuzuki.

If X is Shinji Matou, he'd die a horrible death the moment he slips into his Handsome Lech Casanova Wannabe behavior... which, IMO, is quite likely to happen within the first minute of talking with Medea.

edited 28th Jan '15 12:16:33 AM by MarqFJA

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If it is anybody but Ryuudo Issei, she dies. The only reason that she lasted as long as she did before making the contract is that the Ryuudo Temple is quite amenable to Servants once you are inside.

What if Rin had found her? That would be some time before she summoned Archer, I think. Would she go ahead and contract with Caster or would she leaver the Servant to die (or possibly try to kill her then and there) so there'd be one less Servant she'd have to deal with? If Rin just left Caster for dead then Souichirou would find her and nothing (or not much) would change.

That much is pretty obvious. What I'm more interested in is the affect it would have on the events of the Holy Grail War. Unless something like what happened in Path of the King occurred, Rin would still summon Archer but would Shirou still encounter them and Lancer on the third night? Since Caster would have been properly summoned and thus would be receiving prana as well as being able to take on her astral form due to being a proper Heroic Spirit, would she have been with him in order to save him from Lancer? If, for some reason, she wasn't then she certainly would be around for Lancer's attack on the Emiya residence. Would Medea be able to drive him off? Assuming that she could (which she probably could), would she attack Archer and Rin as soon as they got near? If she does and manages to wound Archer then we're setup for events somewhat similar to the Fate route and, if not, then we're dealing with the UBW route. Either way, Berserker would attack and Rin would more than likely still team up with Shirou (and Archer would undoubtedly be at least somewhat interested to see how events play out with Caster as Shirou's Servant).

Oh, and what of Illya's first appearance? Since Shirou would have meet Caster by then, I think, would she give him the same or warning or would she do something different since she'd be able to tell Shirou was now a Master?

After the encounter with Berserker, I have no idea how things would go. Caster would very likely be able to do something about Bloodfort but the War would be short two Servants: Assassin and Saber. Who would summon them? Who would the Saber be since Shirou has Avalon? If the loophole that I think Path of the King exploited would actually work then who would summon Archer and what Hero would they be? How would the confrontation with Rider go in either route since Caster would likely be with Shirou during school hours? Would Caster try to use Rule Breaker on Rider?

I also think Shirou would have his Magic Circuits opened a lot sooner regardless of the other events since Caster would likely notice that right away. Hell, she might even discover Unlimited Blade Works (if that is something one can tell someone else has) and that combined with her Reinforcement would lead to a much more badass Shirou (even if she couldn't detect UBW, she would likely be able to tell his specialty was Projection and work from there).

She only got there because Souichirou carried her, if I recall correctly. She could have just as easily met Shirou or Rin and contracted with them which would have the same effect.

edited 28th Jan '15 12:54:57 AM by Zelenal

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Rin spent a not inconsiderable amount of magic making Shirou not dead. With Caster she could save someone and justify it as pragmatically acquiring more muscle.

Zouken could probably still summon True Assassin, just without him popping out of Fake Assassin first. Saber...hm. I think Fuyuki is pretty much out of mages, unless Luvia or someone drops in for some reason. Absent that, I think either Kirei gets impatient and decides to summon a Servant for himself instead of just usurping Lancer, or the Grail gets impatient and hands an apparent muggle the final Servant.

Issei joining the War would be fun. "Shirou and Tosaka are Masters? I knew she was dangerous! I must save him from her!"

Zouken could still summon Assassin, yes, but something would have to make him decide to do that and be active in the War which would bring about the Heaven's Feel route. Hell, we might as well make this Caster route have events from all three of the other routes. That could potentially be fascinating and suitably chaotic. As for the Master of Saber (or Archer), Luvia aside, an OC could always fulfill that role.

Hmm... I wonder if Caster would be able to detect the Crest Worm inside Sakura. If prompted, I wonder if she could do something about it (I'm betting she could if her Temple was established). More the point, instead of focusing what would be improved, what would be worse? A Caster/Archer tag team should be able to take down Berserker so he shouldn't be as much of a problem (assuming Gilgamesh doesn't kill him).

Issei being a Master would be amazing if only because he's my second favorite side character.

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Kuzuki carried her to the temple proper, up the mountain, whereas their meeting happened at the foot of said mountain, close enough to it that they're within the boundaries of the Servant-friendly bounded field (and thus why Caster survived longer than normal, which was long enough for Kuzuki to happen upon her).

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Hmm... If Caster had died that first day instead of being found... would Kirei tell anyone? It would be JUST like the man to let everyone believe there was a phantom Caster running around to get everyone paranoid.

The temple is what is friendly to Servants. The mountain itself is very unfriendly to them, which is why everybody goes up the path through the gate.

edited 28th Jan '15 3:46:20 PM by gwonbush

Yeah, well, they're weren't standing on the mountain when Kuzuki found her at its base.

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What gwon said. The mountain itself repels Heroic Spirits and weakens Noble Phantasms unless they take the stairs. If Caster was inside the mountain's bounded field then she would have likely disappeared faster, if anything. My point still stands.

I doubt that he would simply because he has no reason to.

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I've looked into Beast Lair about Fate/Strange Fake. Looks like Enkidu also has Enuma Elish but his basically is the opposite of the one Gil uses.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/Mobius_Space/index.php?showtopic=484

Gil uses Enuma elish against Enkidu with absolutely no hesitation whatsoever and Enkidu answers in kind. And that's just greeting each other!

Bow-chika-wow-wow.

It's funny 'cause it probably actually did happen.

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Got a favor to ask of you guys. Since you're all basically the largest repository of Nasuverse knowledge I have ever seen, could I rely on your collective heads to pool every single event connected to Kerry and Saber in Fate/Zero? In other words, what are the key events influenced by their presence, up to the minutiae, so that their removal would cause a wholly different outcome? Timeframe is after the first Kayneth-Kerry fight. I have a basic list, but I need to make sure I haven't missed anything. Thanks!

edited 31st Jan '15 5:00:58 PM by troydenite

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After Lancer's defeat? Not a whole lot, really. Kamiya wouldn't have used a Command Seal to make Berserker use For Someone's Honor (I think that's the name) to disguise himself as Rider but that doesn't mean anything. The clash between Rider and Saber wouldn't happen so Rider would have still had his main NP for his fight against Gilgamesh which means he might be able to win if he got lucky (but probably not). The biggest difference that I can think of is that Gil and Kotomine would have gotten their hands on an incomplete Holy Grail (since they couldn't kill Saber) and that would have been... very bad.

Oh, and with Kiritsugu just gone, Irisviel probably would have been very depressed in her last moments which is horrible. At least in canon, she went while delivering an epic verbal "Fuck you" to Kotomine.

edited 31st Jan '15 5:38:30 PM by Zelenal

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If you really want to be as accurate as possible, I'd tell you to go to Beast's Lair. They know the Nasuverse far, far better than most of us here do, since the entire forum has the Nasuverse at its core.

Broskander's main NP isn't his chariot, it is Ionion Hetairoi, which he used against Gil and which Gil destroyed in one shot with Enuma Elish.

Broskander is not going to win that fight, no matter what he does, because Gilgamesh actually respects him and will actually take him seriously.

edited 31st Jan '15 7:10:03 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

I meant "main" as in "the one he uses all the time". Of course, that may not be a proper definition. I would have named it directly but I didn't remember it and was too lazy to look it up. ... Grodus Wheel or something?

But yeah, of course Iskander isn't going to win that fight. I mean, Gil can't lose if he takes his fights seriously, right? That's why I included the stipulation "if he got lucky".

edited 31st Jan '15 7:54:06 PM by Zelenal

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Gordius Wheel, but in that sense, I guess you could say it is his main Noble Phantasm. Not his most powerful one by any stretch of the word, though, and he most likely can't use Gordius Wheel and Ionion Hetairoi at the same time. Probably 'cause it'd most likely kill Waver, that's gotta eat Prana like a motherfucker.

Anyway, even if he 'got lucky', he'd still lose. A serious Gilgamesh is not really an entity that can be defeated in a Grail War. You have to be Karna-tier to even attempt it, and even then, CCC proves that you really don't want to push Gilgamesh to the point he actually uses his real power. 'Cause it looks like this.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

...

99,999 damage? That poor enemy. He didn't even use it against a Servant. Just some random encounter. Holy shit.

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Keep in mind that it's not just that. It also has an instant Death effect. There's No Kill like Overkill.

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Good god. Looking at a translation of the Fem!Hakuno/Gil combo, I noticed that Gil's difficulty is listed as "Cheat/Overwhelms enemies with infinite weapons". If Caster's basically Hard mode at the beginning, Gil's Fuck Everything mode.

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When talking about it, Gil was described by the devs as 'Easy Mode'.

To give you an idea how canonically broken Gil is...

... He's the only servant that the Moon Cell won't allow anyone to summon. Yes, it gave Karna to Jinako, but it will not, under any circumstances, allow anyone to summon Gilgamesh.

Unfortunately, it can't prevent Gilgamesh from contracting with a Master if he's inclined to.

That is how powerful his ego is.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

Even if he could I'd question if Alexander would even want to given that among the spirit's summoned, Bucephalus seems to be among them.