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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#13279: Dec 17th 2014 at 2:23:41 PM

Actually considering how Shiki's ability can specifically kill the "concept" of a target I'd say that he could kill Schrodinger as everyone's favorite Nazi catboy would no longer be able to conceptualize his existence for the "concept" would no longer exist.

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#13281: Dec 17th 2014 at 4:28:03 PM

[up][up] That's why I said Ryougi could probably do it but I wasn't sure about Tohno.

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#13282: Dec 17th 2014 at 5:03:48 PM

hmmm. Fair point there. I should endeavor to be more precise. Especially since the two eys are slightl different in nature. However even Shiki Tohno would probably be able to do this. At least if one takes the wiki at face value.

With these Mystic Eyes, Shiki is able to see the eventual fated destruction of an object or entity expressed as small points on the object or entity's body and as thin black lines that extend from those points and crawl over the body. Attendant with the perception is the ability to trace the lines without much exertion; doing so effectively realizes the fated destruction, and the victim is cut or cracked or broken along those lines. Because this destruction is destined, this method of injury ignores any of the victim's defenses; armor, magical protection, regeneration, and so forth are useless.

edited 17th Dec '14 5:05:13 PM by PhoenixKnight6

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#13283: Dec 17th 2014 at 5:20:52 PM

However, beings like Arcuied are immune to it and are simply forced to create a new body (at least, I think it was her).

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#13284: Dec 17th 2014 at 5:22:38 PM

If I recall, I think they make a point of stating that's because Tohno cut her lines, but didn't pierce her point.

...Or something. I don't remember. It's been ages.

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#13285: Dec 17th 2014 at 5:58:27 PM

Even if that is true, there are beings who are immune to it because they don't have a fated destruction. They have no concept of death so they cannot be killed.

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#13286: Dec 17th 2014 at 6:43:21 PM

'object or entity'.

Doesn't say anything about concepts.

If you take it at face value, then all you should take of it is that he achieves the same effect as overwhelming force, just a lot easier.

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#13287: Dec 18th 2014 at 2:05:40 AM

It all depends on whether the MEoDP user can comprehend the concept of death that he's trying to inflict. Living being are the easiest, since they are, you know, alive. Inanimate objects start to be tricky, as it depends on what the user considers to be "alive" in their case; Ryougi's mind, for example, considers a telephone be no longer "alive" if it's broken, because it's no longer capable of serving as a telephone. On the other hand, even technically dead beings like Kirie's ghosts are still considered "alive" because they can still affect the living world.

The Types are when things become so Mind Screw that probably neither of the Shikis can use their power against them. Ryougi's third self, however, is a whole other matter.

edited 18th Dec '14 2:07:01 AM by MarqFJA

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#13288: Dec 18th 2014 at 8:37:14 AM

Void Shiki kills everything.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
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#13290: Dec 18th 2014 at 8:49:06 AM

But can she see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

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#13291: Dec 18th 2014 at 8:51:46 AM

She can probably kill why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

edited 8th Jan '15 5:32:41 PM by Krika

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#13294: Dec 18th 2014 at 9:11:54 AM

She can't see the why, but she can see its death lines and death point.

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#13295: Dec 18th 2014 at 12:00:57 PM

Can she kill death?
Forget about deaht. She could kill Existence just by yawning at it. And then recreate the damn thing by closing her mouth.

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Otherarrow Since: Jul, 2010
#13296: Dec 18th 2014 at 2:14:01 PM

She could, but she won't.

"Void" not only refers to Void!Shiki's being and powers, but also her motivation.tongue

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#13297: Dec 18th 2014 at 2:56:32 PM

I'm surprised she didn't get her own eroge. 'Filling the void'...waii

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#13298: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:29:02 PM

"I won't say that I can completely fill the void inside of you. But I can say that I will definitely give it my hardest try." ;)

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#13299: Dec 18th 2014 at 3:34:58 PM

"Saber needs mana. Shiro, you need to fill the void..."

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#13300: Dec 18th 2014 at 4:55:42 PM

And now we've gone into "can Shiki kill Servants" territory of sorts, lel.

And yeah, that was Merasmus. I just got the idea that he'd made a great partner for Ryuunosuke and just ran with it. I may have overdone the bomb-head gag, but Rule of Three and all that.

Also, BONUS DUCKS.

edited 18th Dec '14 5:20:41 PM by Cronosonic


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