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Which title? Shima has actually seemed to be in support of the current title.
I am in favour of the current title. It captures the spirit of the trope.
And no, the social factors are not the same as taboo. This isn't something that comes off as forbidden so much as something that is despised. There's a difference.
edited 25th Jan '12 7:34:18 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I have to disagree. It depends on region, culture, and individual disposition; in other words, there's no single reaction to it. Even for people who are open-minded regarding race, the contrast of races, skin color, and cultural expectations are seen as culturally provocative. Even people who might not be racist or despise an interracial relationship might find the concept "kinky".
edited 25th Jan '12 9:49:49 AM by KingZeal
But that's not the same as a taboo and this trope isn't about a taboo persay. It's about a rather racist portrayal of black men chasing white women.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
No, because the trope is not inherently negative. To quote the page itself:
Like I said, there is a lot going on in this trope. It's not inherently negative, and it's not automatically racist. This trope is a taboo, plain and simple, and some portrayals of it will be negative, some will be neutral, and others will be Fetish Fuel.
edited 25th Jan '12 11:04:35 AM by KingZeal
King Zeal: The trope is not about an interracial relationship. It's about an offensive stereotype.
Arha: Have I claimed otherwise?
Shima said that this was about a relationship that was "despised", which is not true. Even the trope description itself debunks that.
The trope itself is offensive because it plays on stereotypes. It is not, however, solely about a relationship that is otherwise maligned.
edited 25th Jan '12 11:24:23 AM by KingZeal
Well, the roots of the stereotype are in despising it and vilification. Has the trope evolved beyond that? Is it perhaps a dead horse trope? Maybe. I don't come across it in modern works. The last time I remember seeing it was one biography or another of Malcolm X.
Is there a disagreement over the definition of this trope?
From Post #31:
So now the trope basically supports itself. Black men and white women are taboo, which makes the two of them want each other more. For White men, this is used as ammunition to say that Black men are "stealing" their women, and for Black women, this is decried as White women "stealing the few good Black men" (which is itself Unfortunate Implications). Thus, the taboo only grows stronger, and the lust from it grows proportionately.
Yes, the trope has evolved beyond its entirely negative connotations and become something more than that. It's not discredited or a dead horse, though. More recent series like the Boondocks (currently the trope image) have used it, and abusing it is common in pornography while averting it is enforced in Hollywood (unless that's what the whole movie is about). For example, Eva Mendes tends to get roles as the Designated Love Interest a lot because she looks white enough to contrast a black man and latin enough to contrast a white man, so she can play against a lot of fetishes.
edited 25th Jan '12 12:10:59 PM by KingZeal
I am also in favor of the current title, for the same reasons as shimaspawn.
edited 25th Jan '12 12:19:44 PM by troacctid
Rhymes with "Protracted."
In case I'm not being clear, I'm also in favor of current title. I'm just arguing the literal definition now.
Crowner time? If we're keeping this name, leaving Asian Girl With White Guy the way it is leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Agreed. I think it needs to go back to Me Love You Long Time.
Hammer of the Pervs
I say we leave Where da White Women At? as-is, lock this thread, and then start a new one to get Me Love You Long Time changed back to its right name. Sometimes it's Political Correctness Gone Mad around here.
The politically correct term kills the meaning of it. It just invites people to add any pairing of Caucasian male and Asian woman. People are just being a little too sensitive and cut/change happy on here.
, Them be some words of truth.
I am hearing with you, but it seems like the "related trope rename" thing is a pro.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
vigilantly taxonomish
That One Guy
We don't need "Me Love You Long Time" back. It and this trope's current name are blatantly offensive. I don't usually like political correctness, but I believe it is correct in this case.
edited 27th Jan '12 6:58:02 PM by Firebert
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The trope is offensive. So, the name is kind of the point.
That One Guy
It's suffering trope decay because people are using it for non-offensive occurrences of a white guy with an Asian woman. The offensive name was better for trope health. Offensive trope names for offensive tropes are not bad things.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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Where Da White Women At has a potentially offensive name.
Agreed. I find the title and the description to be quite confusing and unclear.