Is this really a trope?: Off Model

I guess I thought I was clear when I wasn't. I'm not saying relying on them replacing the examples, I'm saying after a demonstration of mistakes you can point to websites or youtube videos that love to pick out all the problems. Thus you get decent examples that aren't reliant on youtube such as:

• Show X has a lot of examples, notably in episode Y which has 1, 2 and 3 and others as shown by this youtube video.

It's not relying on the video as an example, merely to suppliment it. That would work far better then the current pattern of:

• My god show X is filled with mistakes! First off is example 1 in episode Y
  • Don't forget in the same episode examples 2, 3, 4 and 5!
    • That's nothing, episode Z has examples 44, 45, 46 and 47!
  • Even the decently animated episodes have problems. Such as if you look carefully there is a screenshot where 157 happens.
  • There's this youtube video that shows examples 1,200-1,500 and here is each one...

Maybe that's a little hyperbole, but I hope my point is clearer.

I think it's more reliable to point to stuff like reviews or fansites which won't fall to DMCA takedowns.

Bump

Definitely shouldn't be removed. "Ghetto animation" could probably be moved to trivia since it is to do with production (running out of time/money) rather than visual storytelling, but going intentionally "off-model" is a sub- or super-trope of Art Shift (which currently says that all unintentional changes should go here). For two examples where the director intentionally handed control of a whole episode to one person with their own defined style:

http://aninomiyako.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/shigeyasu-yamauchis-railgun-9-naoto-hosodas-kiddy-girl-and-5/

There is also Endless Eight which has subtle but intentional stylistic shifts between the episodes.

It's an entertaining trope. Really, that should be the focus of it - it's entertaining. So have the examples be the most bizarre and hilarious ones.

Bump. Are we gonna do anything here or what?

Bumping this for two reasons.

One, I think we should move this to Trivia - it's not essential for understanding the work itself, but instead how it turned out.

Two, there seems to be an awful lot of negativity on this article. I went to zap some about Rob Liefeld (since his page was already locked for too much negativity), when I noticed that there are several spots that are similarly bad. It's one thing to note when Off-Model happens, but it's another thing entirely to pass judgment on it.

And does the page really need to point out every single instance something is the wrong color, or a character's proportions look slightly off?

I don't think it's possible to be neutral about this phenomenon. Off-Model animation is plain bad, and trying to describe it any other way is going to be misleading.

First off, it is possible to be neutral on the subject. You can point out mistakes without passing judgment.

Second, as the description describes, there are those (most prominently, John Kricfalusi) that believe that this trope is good in quite a few circumstances.

I don't think there is anything too wrong with the trope as it is, only that it's cluttered with A LOT of image links. I think a good clean-up would be to keep it to general episodes and not nitpicking still frames.

I still think it would be preferable to split them up as so but I don't think people are too interested in that.

• Off-Model: The characters or designs are distinctly different than they should be, but the animation itself is fine. As stated this isn't a bad thing, John K. deliberately stretches the characters to use animation to it's fullest.
• Animation Error: Miscolorings, extra fingers, inconsistent continuity (battle damage comes and goes with each shot) and otherwise badly done animation. This would generally be considered a bad thing and the result of lazy animators but it isn't something to get riled up over, it's in the same vein as Visible Boom Mic.

edited 30th Mar '12 8:25:41 PM by KJMackley

Off-Model is a trope because it can be used intentionally for great effect. As stated before, John K. uses Off-Model animation to great effect.

edited 1st Apr '12 12:41:16 AM by GameGuruGG

I agree with KJ Mackley. This should be split.

edited 2nd Apr '12 3:26:42 PM by MadMan400096

Hmm... I could see a split, although I'd go with something other than Animation Error. Comics also use model sheets and can thus be off-model just as much as animation (presumably, for the same reasons, too).

Problem with splitting is they are both called Off-Model you will always get people calling one or the other that.

edited 3rd Apr '12 7:32:44 AM by Raso

Well, the simplest answer would be to call the intentional version Intentionally Off Model.

Rereading the thread..... Intentionally Off Model might work, although that will probably be only used by western shows

There is a distinct style and name for that in Anime which is is Super-Deformed.

edited 3rd Apr '12 7:39:27 AM by Raso

Super-Deformed is merely one type of intentional Off-Model used in anime and manga. There are a few others, though none quite so codified (I've seen it with characters suddenly shifting into Oni to indicate rage, complete with more than just their face shifting). In fact, a part of a mangaka's signature style can be their own distinctive method of going off-model.

In the real world I don't think Off-Model is used as a catch-all term for all animation errors, I do think it much more narrow than that. Off-Model can often lead to animation errors, cause it is often the by product of the more general Lazy Animator/Lazy Artist.

That is Art Shift or quick and dirty instant Demonic Transformation.

Like this

or [1] actually we might be missing a supertrope to it maybe.

edited 3rd Apr '12 9:07:31 AM by Raso

It's almost never a Demonic Transformation, as most characters that do it are explictly not demons. Art Shift covers intentional cases of Off-Model, but not all art shifts are such (some art shifts deliberately repeatedly use different model sheets).

Not only that, but there are several other styles I could mention - intentional shifts to Noh-stylized art, for example.

For splitting the trope, I'd suggest the name Art Error.

Also, Super-Deformed isn't intentional off model so much as babyfying faces.

edited 22nd Apr '12 12:25:45 PM by MadMan400096

Clocking due to lack of activity.

Clock's up; locking for inactivity/lack of consensus. No action is to be taken based on this thread.