The Japanese Arisaka had a ridiculous high chamber pressure resistance and corrosion resistance, it was a really good bolt action rifle, but it was a good rifle in a time where semi-automatic rifles were the good hot stuff.

Indeed. It was the nickle content in the steel manufacturing for the action that gave it such good chamber pressure and corrosion resistance.

I feel the need to share some choice footage of the XM 8.

Odd, I assumed it was much more controllable than that.

So I got an M&P Shield for free from work a few days ago... And I'm torn between selling it to trick my full size, or keep them both. And maybe eventually trick them both.

Where do you work that you just get one of nicer compact handguns on the market for free?

X4: 3/10 - needs more melting.

Looks like more Seinfeld Is Unfunny than Political Correctness Gone Mad. As the gun scares and "gun run" (that left Colt bankrupt btw) came and went, AR-15's were seen as cool, now everyone who want's one has one. B'sides, AR clones and AK clones are available at lots of gun shops and all the tacticool stuff can be had over the internet.

Walmart made a business decision: tactical fads come and go, but hunters gonna hunt.

edited 26th Aug '15 10:02:58 PM by TairaMai

So presumably the open carry wonks are going to start picketing now.

Fuck those losers they are part of the problem. They can buy them elsewhere.

But what will the budget mall ninjas who can't afford the decent stuff do?

There's always Cheaper Than Dirt and Cabela's. They do sales all the time.

They'll live.

(Le Garcon) I work for Gander Mountain. But I got it for free on Smith and Wesson's dealer incentive program. Basically for every gun you sell, you get points. You can use the points to buy stuff or guns. I sell a lot a of guns- I'm fast at the paperwork, so I can turn a sale around pretty quickly- and the Shields are pretty popular so I get a decent amount of points.

And before anyone thinks that I'm pushing S&W above other manufacturers, pretty much every manufacturer has some variation of the program- I also have a 10/22 takedown on the way for free.

God that's awesome.

I should have a job like yours. No idea where I'd start to apply though. Or get qualifications. Do you need special qualifications?

It mostly depends on the state. When I started, I could work the counter and show guns, but in Virginia, it takes a special background check and registration to be able to run background checks, and therefore actually fill the paperwork out.

That said, most big box retailers with firearms sections- not walmart- tend to always be looking to hire people, since as my boss put it, about one in thirty people who want to work selling firearms can actually do a good job of it.

edited 28th Aug '15 9:58:55 PM by Gjallarhorn

The ATF visits 4chan.◊

I don't know if this has already been posted here or not, but I figured this was the most appropriate thread- a study found that the top five countries ranked in gun ownership are also ranked in the top 15 countries with public mass shooters per capita.

It would be kinda relevant to know who the other 10 members of the top 15 by mass shootings, and where they rank in gun ownership, likewise how high the mass shooting rate is in the other 10 members of the top 15 countries by gun ownership.

Also I did not know that the Swiss had a high rate of mass shootings.

This study doesn't include countries that have very strong gun control but still have high shooting sprees but never report them.

I need reliable sources on that because everything I'm finding on a correlation between gun control and high shooting sprees is coming from websites with a very obvious bias towards guns.

That DW article is pretty decent, but I recall coming across a more comprehensive article suggesting that the correlation between gun ownership and shooting incidents is somewhat unreliable as a statically significant relationship.

What we've been finding in population studies is that wealth disparity per capita is possibly a more common feature in the occurrence of gun violence. Again, I have issues with studies and personal write-ups that emphasize "mass shooting" because this does not account for day-to-day shootings such as that committed by gangs and other criminal organizations, especially those that operate in impoverished communities. Gun ownership among impoverished communities with career criminals are going to be harder to report anyway because those communities likely have more straw purchases and illegally owned weapons that remain unaccounted for.

You can look at communities in the US that have low levels of gun violence and relaxed gun laws, but those communities also tend to have a very high cost of living, little racial diversity and little income diversity. You probably won't feel the need to shoot anybody if you and everyone in your neighborhood looks like you and brings home some serious dough. A lot of the northern state hunting communities such as Vermont, Colorado, Montana and Washington come off that way. Alternately, I've noticed that southern states like Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi have relatively high rates of gun violence and relaxed gun laws. They also house some of the poorest communities in the nation.

I don't think we can come to any hard conclusions just yet, but that angle is worth considering. Either way, I also don't think that the population of guns relative to gun laws is an adequate discussion. There are other variables we need to consider.

edited 1st Sep '15 8:42:12 AM by Aprilla

A series of shootings in the last month leave 19 dead in São Paulo

Things like this occur once in a month here and it is worse in Venezuela, both countries have strict gun laws but criminals go around them through weapon smuggling from the police and military.

As far as I know, the overall amount of gun deaths in the US is steadily decreasing but killing sprees are shocking enough to stir up the debates again.

Venezuela's a borderline failed state, though. And it also has a fairly large disparity in wealth, if less so in income now. It's interesting in that it has both a socialist nomenklatura and a capitalist elite.

edited 1st Sep '15 9:41:15 AM by Achaemenid

Brazil has a very high rate of wealth disparity. Not saying your example is wrong, but that was basically my previous point.

I agree with you on that, I am usually averse into pressing more ineffective laws when the best long term solutions is to address wealth inequality and access to mental health services.

It is that I think just passing laws alone doesn't really solve the problem. Banning evil black 'ssault weapons won't do much to reduce gun deaths when most of them are result of gang violence and bigotry.

Colt Defense and the civilian side were reunited towards the end of the last Bush adminstration. Thanks to bad planning and loss of defense contracts, Colt lost money during the "Obama" gun run ...

edited 5th Sep '15 8:37:59 AM by TairaMai