The Gun Thread

Hey, use the gear you want and need, just accept that I'm gonna crack a few jokes.

Red dot sights are very neat, and the technology is quite a bit older than folks realize (they use the same technology as the reflex sights used by aerial gunners in WWII, and the tech goes back to at least WWI). I just don't know if I'd buy one for my fun-times use.

Point taken. I'm turning this into a SHTF rifle anyways. I saw a thing or two about Russian red dot systems, the same as used by their ground forces, that looked very interesting.

Try to avoid knock offs.

Chinese love to make fake Kobra sights for Americans trying to be all tacticool

Oh really when?

Pffth, for a SHTF gun, you need something with stopping power. I recommend the Carl Gustav, it's ideal for hunting small game. And big game. Unless you need to eat the game afterwards, obviously.

Do they make shot shells for that thing?

Doesn't seem like it.

I smell untapped market potential...

Oh really when?

How about at least a sabot/slug round for it?

Carl Gustav with an AK attached to a side rail. Problem solved.

With an underbarrel shotgun on the AK, just in case you need to shoot out a lock.

I suppose it must be a matter of what you're used to.

I have no trouble with a standard AK-47 foregrip, but then I'm used to traditional rifle/shotgun stocks. As long as I don't have to reach too far forward to get past magazine/action/whatever, I'm fine with most long arms.

Indeed I don't have much experience with standard rifle style grips. On an AR my hand drifts naturally to the magazine well and having a vertical grip of some sort is just natural to me.

While for me, if I were to use an AR-style weapon, I'd automatically try to position my hand beneath the forestock since every long arm I've owned and nearly every one I've fired has had a traditional stock and no large magazine well to grip.

On M4s and M16s, I usually grip the foregrip all the way back, so my hand is braced against the mag well. I've had some instructors suggest the "Soviet Grip" as an alternative, where two fingers of your hand grip on the mag well directly (the rest are slack, so as not to interfere with the magazine itself)

Trying to picture the "Soviet grip" but failing. I tried a Google search but, not surprisingly, just got a lot of pictures of Soviet firearms or grips for same

Some instructors and (for those in the military) NCO's will go APESHIT if you grip the magazine on an AR-15/M-16 style rifle.

Some older mags won't feed it you grip them. Others are fine. Some uppers are loose and won't feed if you grip the mag, some are snug and again it ain't no thang.

All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48

The "commie rifle grip" on an AR-15 you are not supposed to grip the magazine but use the mag well near the hand guards for a solid grip.

Who watches the watchmen?

Sounds like a lot less to think about if you don't grip them then - got enough to worry about with breath control, trigger control, aim etc without worrying about whether or not the mag can stand being gripped.

The only vaguely AR-shaped rifle I've ever fired is an L 1 A 1 (semi-auto version of the FAL) and I wouldn't feel confident in holding that by the magazine while it's firing.

I've handled a Norinco semi-auto AK-47 clone and I skirmish with an electric AK-47 airsoft and I find that the bulge at the rear end of the foregrip fits nice and comfortable in the palm of my hand and provides me with an easy-to-replicate grip every time I shoulder it.

A vertical foregrip sounds like the best plan if you find that position more comfortable/intuitive than horizontal foregrip.

edited 28th Apr '14 7:19:28 PM by Wolf1066

What is "blueing" a gun? I don't know if it is the same as blue plate or not. I have heard the term but always forget to ask the gunsmith if he knows.

"Oh wait. She doesn't have a... Forget what I said, don't catch the preggo. Just wear her hat." - Question Marc

Check this

Who watches the watchmen?

Thanks!

"Oh wait. She doesn't have a... Forget what I said, don't catch the preggo. Just wear her hat." - Question Marc

Cold bluing is fairly easy to do at home and, in my experience, feels very rewarding when the worn crappy-looking firearm comes up looking lovely.

Be careful. Yes you can use "carburetor cleaner" on your gun, but that stuff eats bluing. Get Froglube or Otis cleaning kits instead.

edited 29th Apr '14 4:42:17 PM by TairaMai

All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48

Yeouch! Thankfully I've never thought of using carburettor cleaner on a firearm. Is that something people do?

The lazy, those who buy a used weapon and those victim of "clean my gun because I have a meeting".

It's also "folklore". Check theses out:

• motor oil will clean your gun...and it will attract sand like a magnet.

• gasoline and solvents have been used as well...not good.

• there are "parts cleaner" systems that are used for engines and hydrualics that are not longer being used by the DOD, again they mess up the bluing.

But that won't stop some old fart, mall ninja or somesuch who says "The miltiary/Navy Seal/Green Berete/Soldiers/Marines/my Drill SGT/(INSERT MEMETIC BADDASS HERE) did/does this in Vietnam/Korea/Desert Storm/Iraq/'the Stan/On youtube"....

edited 29th Apr '14 6:00:33 PM by TairaMai

All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48

"Oh, they cleaned their rifles with motor oil and gasoline in Vietnam? Wonder why the M-16s misfired so much..."

Taira: You don't want to know what is in the solvent tank baths then. It is a type of cleaner that will break down any and all petrol based products including plastics. It is pretty much guaranteed to remove carbon, excessive oils, most oxidation, and moisture. You don't want this stuff on your hands by the way.

Who watches the watchmen?