Frozen (Disney film)

Gay marriage may be legal now in America, but it might take a few years for Disney to make an explicitly gay character.

Yeah, no matter what kind of love interest they brought in for Elsa, they'd have to be introduced in Frozen 2, meaning they'd have less time for character development than the original cast.

It'd be much better to focus on non-romantic relationships anyways. We still haven't seen Elsa interact much with Kristoff, which was something I'd expected to happen in Frozen Fever.

edited 23rd Jul '15 1:46:15 PM by spashthebandragon

Didn't they work on the party together?

Yes, but they still had very little interaction. Actually seeing Elsa convince Kristoff to take this bath would have been fun, for instance (but there is only so much you can do in a 7 minutes long short).

Considering how big of a gay following Elsa has as a character, I don't know if Disney will give her a definite love interest either way. If they make her officially gay, they'll get all kinds of vitriol thrown at them. If they make her officially straight, they'll disappoint their sizeable gay fanbase.

The smart move marketing wise would be to have Elsa become friends with a person of each sex, only teasing at a possible romantic entanglement with either of them to keep them happy. And well, that would make two dolls to sell instead of one. People who are into O T3s would be happy too. :D

Well, according to YMMV, the fandom's split between "Frozen Fandom" and the "Hans fandom". If the Disney staff is aware of this, maybe Hans is potential love interest.

Disney allowed Malificent to be good. Maybe they'll allow Hans to be reformed.

Besides, and I hate to admit this, those fairy tale kingdoms are like in a bubble. I'd have more faith in a kingdom surviving invasion and political intrigues if it's leader was more like Hans than Anna & Elsa's parents.

How do you know what Elsa's and Anna's parents were like as leaders? We never actually saw them do any political stuff. Just because they didn't permit many people in their castle to hide Elsa doesn't mean they themselves never interacted with the public.

Cause apparently, they've got no brothers / sisters / aunts / uncles / parents who could have taken care of the kids.

They were both orphans too, I guess.

Or ya know... were very good friends with another royal family who could had run things until Elsa was of age. Am not too impressed with their social skills at the amount.

That has basically nothing to do with their politics.

Apparently the kingdom can run quite well when in 'autopilot'. And overall, if the neighboring countries weren't invading Arendelle or taking major unfair advantages from it while the King and Queen were dead, Anna was a child with no social skills and Elsa was a shut-in, they aren't going to start now Elsa is an active Queen with massive superpowers.

All in all, this world seems to be mostly gentle and countries seem to get along for the most part. The only 'evil' political powers we see are the Duke (who is 'only' a Duke) and Hans (only a heir with no real chance of seizing the throne). The other rulers we know anything about, Corona's, are also great people with a well kept peaceful country of their own.

edited 23rd Jul '15 9:58:45 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Scot Ireland as depicted in Brave is inferred to be easily prone to civil wars and blood feuds however - pitchforks and swords get drawn and tossed countless times in that single film.

edited 23rd Jul '15 10:06:21 PM by FluffyMcChicken

For that matter, how do we know how good a leader Hans would've been? We never see him doing any political stuff, either. Given he was the youngest of thirteen brothers, I really doubt he ever underwent any kind of formal training on how to run a country or anything. He clearly just wanted to be king to show up his brothers. He'd probably have run the kingdom into the ground à la Scar.

Hans appeared to me as the most dangerous form of ruler - one, like Hitler or Mao, who could cause their nation to self-destruct from their ambitions while retaining their reputation and public support out of sheer excellent charisma and PR.

>>> All in all, this world seems to be mostly gentle and countries seem to get along for the most part.

That is why I said it's like in a bubble.

Also, I'm mainly applying an extra level of realism because the writer/s opened the can of worms so to speak by mentioning that Hans is so due to familial emotional neglect and/or abuse. YMMV even says he was raised "without love".

Not that I'm going to use such to excuse his behaviour; however, it does mean that I'm going to find Anna and Elsa's parents lacking, similar to how I find Han's parents lacking.

I think it would be surprising for Disney to do a gay character since the movies are almost always set in the past, especially the middle ages, when it wouldn't be accepted at all.

Homosexuality has existed since humanity itself though - it's merely that societies have unanimously been homophobic until the past century at the very least, and that had skewed a misconception that there are an increasingly larger gay population.

It may even the generral public to accept gay marriage for that matter. I myself admit that due to how I was raised it would take me awhile to accept gay marriage.

The more I read this, the more I'm getting convinced Elsa does not need to have a love interest. Hinting one or more could be interesting (because otherwise shippers may run out of ideas of people with whom to pair Elsa), but focusing on her love story would remove the focus from the sisters relationship, which I think is the main appeal of the first movie (as acknowledged by the writers in Frozen Fever).

If they pair her with Hans, I'll probably go back to hating Disney with a passion.

On the matter of Hans, I think he would have made a very good ruler... kind, compassionate, with very very happy subjects, and anyone unhappy and being vocal about it eventually suffering some kind of unexplained accident. But then again I really like to think of Hans as heartless, manipulative and clever.

I located the first 4 chapters of that novel that's coming out. Later on, I'm going to double-check if that's really the official tie-in novel, because (Jesus Christ) it makes his bad guy reveal even more jarring.

I dont know if we've seen these before, but their quite good: Here’s what Frozen’s Elsa and Anna would look like if they were human

I think they were linked here some time ago, but they are very good indeed (they don't just look like random cute girls with Anna & Elsa's dresses and hair).

Scot Ireland as depicted in Brave is inferred to be easily prone to civil wars and blood feuds however - pitchforks and swords get drawn and tossed countless times in that single film

Nothing indicates Brave is in the same universe, much less time period, as Frozen.

If anything, Brave's easter eggs hint that it's in the Pixar shared universe (That is, if you buy into that theory).

Also, while being gay obviously wouldn't be accepted in the real 19th century, I think it's unfair to use that as an excuse to not have any gay characters.

First off, Arendelle is a fictional country, so if the writers decide its culture has unusually enlightened views for the time, there'd be nothing stopping them.

Second off, when the heck has Frozen ever given a crap about historical accuracy in the first place? Everyone (besides Oaken) talks like modern day Americans. Kristoff mentions that he just got his sled "paid off" like it's a car. And just... just the entire "In Summer" dream sequence.

edited 24th Jul '15 7:09:52 AM by spashthebandragon

I don't know, that might just add to the overdose of implied romances we're getting nowadays.

I was thinking "hinting" as in the lines of "Elsa speaks with someone while smiling". As far as I understood how shipping works, this is apparently considered as a gigantic flag signalling that two characters are irrepressibly attracted to each other (while those like me who seem to have Anti Shipping Goggles glued to their eyes simply see this as friendship).

edited 24th Jul '15 7:52:26 AM by C105