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Splitting: My Name Is Not Durwood get usage counts

I don't think a split is necessary, the slightly different motivations in a character's use of this trope are not enough IMO.

I don't think we should rename either, with 913 wicks, but I if we do I'll suggest Name Constantly Gotten Wrong.

[up]It isn't just the motivations but what what those motivations mean about a character and how it establishes/shapes a character's traits.

Characters who are simply incapable of learning or using a person's a correct name tend to be absent-minded, frazzled, eccentric, or are otherwise quirky and peculiar in a way (and are more likely endeared for it by a viewing audience).

Characters who deliberately call someone else by a wrong name or just don't bother to remember what the correct name is tend to be dickheads who are abrasive with others and may have an overinflated ego (even if such characters have other traits that may make them likable or sympathetic, they're still usually some variant of the Jerkass trope, pretty much, by default).

Even if the two distinctions don't get separate pages, I do feel that this is good enough to push for a soft split (and, given the page in its present form, these are really the only two subtypes that I'd say are worth mentioning).

edited 18th Feb '12 9:07:10 AM by SeanMurrayI

 53 Elbruno, Tue, 6th Mar '12 7:39:10 PM from S. Spexico, N. Antartica Relationship Status: Chocolate!
I can see the future!
Bumping

I'm with Sean here, this trope as it is right now covers 2 completely different intentions, and leads to different character traits depending on its use. I'm not sure if it should be a hard or soft split though.

edited 6th Mar '12 7:44:41 PM by Elbruno

"Darkness is light's light of darkness as a dark farewell to dark lightness."
Hard split. I think some of the "don't seem to notice enough to learn the name" examples might be hard to sort, but they still need to be sorted.
 
 55 Elbruno, Tue, 13th Mar '12 8:30:52 AM from S. Spexico, N. Antartica Relationship Status: Chocolate!
I can see the future!
Bumping again. Seriously, we need to get a consensus here.
"Darkness is light's light of darkness as a dark farewell to dark lightness."
 56 bwburke 94, Tue, 13th Mar '12 11:03:07 AM from Massachusetts Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
PULL TO OPEN
In that case, put up a crowner for whether this should be renamed.
I have an avatar now. Avatars are cool.
 58 lebrel, Tue, 13th Mar '12 11:23:13 AM from Basement, Ivory Tower
Tsundere pet.
[up] OK, then maybe we need a Page Action crowner: split, rename, something else?
Calling someone a pedant is an automatic Insult Backfire. Real pedants will be flattered.
 59 Spark 9, Tue, 13th Mar '12 11:50:54 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] That sounds good. People can always add more options if they feel the need.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
No, just split. If a split passes, the new pages would need new names, anyway. A soft/hard split has been the biggest issue discussed in this thread, by far

edited 13th Mar '12 11:51:43 AM by SeanMurrayI

 61 Bobby G, Wed, 11th Apr '12 3:28:51 AM from the Silvery Tay
Isn't there a potential third category? It's one thing if someone calls someone the wrong name as an insult, or if a person might simply be flaky enough to get someone's name consistently wrong.

But what about examples of people where no one gets their name right? I'm looking at things like Butch from Pokemon here, and it's hard to assign him to either of the other two categories when multiple well-meaning people get it wrong. Do we put it in the "flaky" category (Lyra's treatment of Dawn fits snugly there), or do we assign it as something else along the lines of Phrase Catcher?

 63 ccoa, Fri, 11th May '12 7:45:10 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
Bumping for votes.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 64 ccoa, Fri, 18th May '12 8:14:25 AM from the Sleeping Giant
With Mod Hat On
Calling crowner. Split trope into 1) misnaming a character accidentally and 2) misnaming a character maliciously.

edited 18th May '12 8:14:30 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 65 Spark 9, Fri, 18th May '12 3:13:24 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Okay, let's brainstorm for some names.

Accidental Misnaming and Intentional Misnaming? Cant Remember Her Name vs Wont Remember Her Name? ... something else?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
There is nothing wrong with the original name for this trope to describe the trope wherein someone calls another person by the wrong name deliberately.

 67 Hershele Ostropoler, Fri, 18th May '12 10:47:04 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
[up]Agreed, I don't know if there was consensus on two new names. The problem the trope was having was that it described two subtly things; splitting will solve that and only one needs to be renamed.
The child is father to the manOedipus
 68 Spark 9, Sat, 19th May '12 12:21:25 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Nobody's saying that there is. I recommend just suggesting a bunch of names and then putting them in a crowner with the original too.

Special trousers. Very heroic.
The new trope needs to have a new name, of course. But My Name Is Not Durwood, connoting a deliberate refusal to address someone by their correct name, is good.

 70 Butterfinger, Thu, 7th Jun '12 5:08:05 AM Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
I don't know... My Name Is Not Durwood doesn't seem to indicate that the use of the wrong is intentional or mean spirited. When I first saw the trope name, I was thinking of it more along the lines of Character A getting Character B's name wrong, and Character B stating politely that the name is incorrect. It seems that the character's response to the wrong name is more negative than the trope name would suggest.
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 71 Hershele Ostropoler, Thu, 7th Jun '12 1:43:37 PM from BK.NY.US Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Really? Hm. Because I think of the name as being perfect for deliberate misuse. Maybe it comes from knowing the trope namer
The child is father to the manOedipus
"I was thinking of it more along the lines of Character A getting Character B's name wrong, and Character B stating politely that the name is incorrect." That is the same trope anyway, right? The other one is "incapable of saying it correctly."
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel.
Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Dammit, as the creator of this trope it kills me to see my named tropes being picked apart. But I'll admit I have massive bias (well there are some exceptions I'd never liked Are You My Mummy?). But anyway. How about Please Stop Calling Me Durwood keeping the Bewitched reference without having people having to know the reference to get it (because Durwood is generally considered a silly sounding name) but making the trope more obvious?
 
 74 Septimus Heap, Sun, 29th Jul '12 1:51:42 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Puʻu ʻŌʻō
[up]Bad name. Sounds very much like it violates No New Stock Phrases.

For the record, mate, 1) references are not witty and only matter to people who are in the show and 2) Naming a Trope is a help to you.

 75 Blue Guy, Fri, 14th Sep '12 6:55:24 PM from Bella Vista, Arkansas Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero

Alternative Titles: My Name Is Not Durwood
9th Jan '13 11:40:52 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
My Name Is Not Durwood is getting split into accidental and malicious misnaming. Pick a name for this sandbox.

Laconic: Using a permutation of someone's name in a insulting/derisive/malicious way.
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