Bloody Fossil
So far, Brazil is only supporting the blockade. I can't really see them supporting any military action.
Four Eurofighters and some soldiers against a whole military: Said military has to move across several hundred kilometers of ocean first and isn't all that up-to-date in terms of equipment.
Concerning Britain buying a carrier from the US: With how they've cut back on the ones they're building themselves, can't see that happening.
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I agree with you there.
The idea has been considered before — with an Essex-Class carrier during The '60s after the cancellation of the CVA-01, and it was thought about the during The Falklands War (but it would have taken too long)...
And right now?
We can't afford it, that is for sure (and we're in the Top 5 Worldwide in terms in Military Budgets).
edited 21st Dec '11 12:12:08 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
The Big E and her birds will never fly a foreign flag. I'd rather see her sunk than in non-American hands. That ship carries a legacy built since the 1930s. (Specifically it is the direct successor to USS Enterprise (CV-6) and even carries some of the previous Big E's memorabilia aboard it at all times.)
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Blah blah blah, irrational nationalism, blah blah blah.
Britain needs the ship, they can borrow the damn ship. We've given bigger and more numerous items to them before during WWII.
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We've never given them a capital ship. Least of all a supercarrier.
We shouldn't have to pony up for their idiotic mistakes. Let the chips fall where they may regarding the Falklands and keep us out. If the British stupidity in gutting their military allows Argentina to take and keep the Falklands, they deserve to lose plain and simple.
Besides they didn't ask for our help last time, we shouldn't expect it this time.
Decemberist
We did ask for your help but you didnt want to upset your precious Argentinian allies.
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...besides, you actually did give us help during The Falklands War in 1982, including use of the latest AIM-9L missiles from NATO Stocks, Intelligence support and a few other items, mostly unofficially at first.
Even the loan of an American Aircraft Carrier was suggested if one of ours was sunk. Here's one source
(italics mine):
As soon as all chances of a diplomatic solution had faded, the then US Secretary of Defence Casper Weinberger offered Britain the use of virtually any military hardware she requested, "'up to an including an aircraft carrier" (the USS Eisenhower or another carrier — I've seen a few suggested). However, it would have required approval from Congress (which would probably not have been forthcoming) for any of their military personnel to have actually 'gone to war' and we would have had to man it ourselves; why we never took up this option is unclear - pride perhaps?
Extensive satellite recon intelligence was provided by the Americans - they had satellites from a number of systems including the high-definition Keyhole series, in orbit at those latitudes. Apparently, SR-71 overflights were also considered but the archives of the USAF confirm (Dec 2008) that they never took place.
edited 21st Dec '11 3:26:59 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
Tom. Seriously, calm down and knock it off.
I'm trying to but when people casually toss around thoughts of such things as if they were child's toys is a tad upsetting when you A) know the history behind it and B) are viciously defensive over such things.
Malicious
Hmmmm...I wonder if Brazil is supporting Argentina's position because they've been eyeing French Guina.
edited 21st Dec '11 3:43:03 PM by TheWesterner
I was wondering why frisbees got bigger as they got closer then it hit me.
I changed accounts.
The Enterprise has served in the US Navy quite admirably, but it's going to be decommissioned soon anyhow. The least we could do is see her off with one last fight, should it (hopefully not) come to that, and with who are supposed to be our closest allies.
If it really is such a problem, they can rename the ship.
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I doubt it.
@Mercosur
Shit! They actually are serious about this! I really underestimated Kirtchner, I thought she was just bitching for the sake of bitching, but it looks like they're taking some serious steps towards this thing.
For the record, I side with the Argentines in this.
edited 21st Dec '11 3:44:09 PM by stripesthezebra
It's "a tad upsetting" to see someone ignoring/rewriting history to make a pointless point.
On topic, I'll freely admit that I don't know enough about relations to make a judgement on this, though.
edited 21st Dec '11 3:47:27 PM by AllanAssiduity
^^...Why?
edited 21st Dec '11 3:46:08 PM by Colonial1.1
1.) It's more annoying that they're not planning on replacing the Enterprise with another vessel of the same name to carry its legacy on, and 2.) we offered the Brits a carrier last time.
Malicious
I'm slightly biased in favor of the Argentinians. Must be the closeness I feel with fellow Latin Americans. I'm not really sure of it myself.
edited 21st Dec '11 3:52:08 PM by TheWesterner
I was wondering why frisbees got bigger as they got closer then it hit me.
I changed accounts.
To my knowledge, the residents of the Falklands aren't ethnically Argentinian and would never vote to join Argentina, so I see no reason to support Argentina in what amounts to a land-grab. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
@Balmung,
Wait, wait, what? We're not going to replace the Enterprise with another ship of the same name?
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@USAF: Nope, I think we opted to name the one that would come in when we retire the Enterprise is named after some senator, but this is more of a topic for the military thread.
Malicious
No, you're right. The people are British, but the land is Argentinian/Patagonian.
I know it's not the right thing yet I'm okay with it. I'd say that's the nationalist in me speaking,but I'm not even Argentinian.
edited 21st Dec '11 4:00:58 PM by TheWesterner
I was wondering why frisbees got bigger as they got closer then it hit me.
Pretty much. The Falkland Islanders do not want to join the Argentine Republic. Self-determination, n'at...
And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
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@Balmung,
Right, right.
@Westerner,
Well, fuck that shit, man. That's no good at all. Besides, it's not like they'd hold it for long. Britain would be around soon enough to bounce them out.
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@colonial
Why do I doubt it, or why do I support Argentina?
@Allan Who are you talking to?
edited 21st Dec '11 4:05:01 PM by stripesthezebra
Oh damn, Brazil is in on things?
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This has become a legitimate threat.
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