General Star Wars Thread

What? No, that wasn't him, that was Disney. Where'd I imply it was him?

The Darth Icki thing is well documented: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/04/04/fall-of-the-empire-how-inner-turmoil-brought-down-a-legendary-studio.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

The thing is, this is Lucas. He's not exactly the most socially savvy according to what I understand, so it may have just been a poorly executed joke that got a cold reception.

That does sound like the response of someone who gives no shits.

Quick note here: George Lucas sold Star Wars for four billions, but he then gave that entire sum, in full, to charity.

It's pretty self-evident he sold Star Wars not because of the almighty dollar but because he just saw that he had no use for helming it (the enduring decades of everybody turning him into a pariah can't have helped). The reason he became bitter over the whole affair is, most likely, because he was given the position of consultant for the sequel trilogy, something he seemed perfectly happy to do, and presumably expected to be treated with some respect by Disney. Which wasn't case, as it's been pretty solidly reported Disney pretty much ignored his existence and any ideas he gave. This is probably what soured him on the sale, being sidelined in the franchise he created.

All of it went to charity?

...good on you, Big George.

In fact the reason he sold it was because he was being harassed by so-called "fans" who blamed him for each and every thing they saw wrong with the franchise. He figured he would pass that figurehead responsibility to someone else and stick around as a consultant, only to be treated by Disney as everything wrong with the franchise.

You can tell that in how Disney is treating the franchise, they are acting as though they are "saving" it from obscurity. As though it hasn't had any worthwhile productions in years.

Film-wise? I kinda... hasn't. The television shows did kinda, I guess

The books suffered a massive decline years before the reboot of the EU as they started getting farther and farther from the post Rot J era. Not to say they have actually gotten any better now though.

Games wise as well but things were actually starting to look up before Disney sold those rights to the devil and now all we get is the crappy Battlefront and Mobage that makes you pay up the ass to do anything.

edited 30th Mar '16 9:59:51 PM by Memers

I have notice that the WMG regarding to Rey's heritage is getting too long and too convoluted, and it's getting hard for me to scroll down and edit. Additionally, I'm starting to feel this whole debate about Rey's father is getting too... aggressive to the point it's no longer fun. It's going around in circle and better suited to an actual forum.

Rey isn't even human. She has no parents because her species reproduces through mitosis.

That's EA for you.

edited 30th Mar '16 10:15:20 PM by wehrmacht

"George Lucas sold Star Wars for four billions, but he then gave that entire sum, in full, to charity."

Wow, so much for the "rapist of childhood"

"Rey isn't even human. She has no parents because her species reproduces through mitosis"

It will be reveal that she is in fact, reincarnation of Anakin, and it wants her damn lightsaber back

And the fact they "save" by creating a movie so close to TFA that it almost border in a rip off said a lot on the matter.

Nah, we already had a virgin birth via the Force, we're not doing reincarnation bullshit.

@Memers: A lot of the books in the new canon are pretty good, though.

edited 30th Mar '16 10:37:58 PM by higherbrainpattern

But why not? I meant we have virgin birth bullshit, what better way to up that with reincarnation BS?

Now I'm suddenly thinking that a virgin Luke somehow gave birth to Rey.

That's funny and all, but I seriously am feeling that the WMG page for The Force Awakens is getting too large for my taste (can barely scroll down with my computer), and I believe that the theory that Rey is Luke's daughter has become a controversial battleground that could easily lead to circular back and forth arguments with no end that might as well break page. The fact that there are two WMG with opposite theories of Luke's relationship with Rey with entire discussions relating to both has only made me more weary about the situation.

"You can tell that in how Disney is treating the franchise, they are acting as though they are "saving" it from obscurity. As though it hasn't had any worthwhile productions in years."

Aside from some KOTOR-era stuff and Clone Wars, there hadn't. The post-ROTJ novels after The Unifying Force were terrible, and the Prequel era stuff was mediocre and forgettable since 2007-2008. Interesting comic series like Rebellion and Legacy were being cancelled, and the prequels were being savaged in the public's eye by the RLM reviews. Star Wars was an exhausted brand before the buyout.

New Ashoka novel incoming.

@ unknowing

Or better yet, do it Dark Empire style, though determining who'll voice Anakin-in-Rey's-body will be difficult.

^^^ The only thing Disney has been doing different since the buyout is more movies. Since the prequels there were games (particularly The Force Unleashed and The Old Republic) and The Clone Wars receiving plenty of financial success and critical accolades. Just because TFA was a supermassive hit doesn't mean Star Wars was a dying brand. Besides the movie new material post-buy-out has been pretty hit or miss.

I wouldn't say it's hit or miss. Besides Dark Disciple and Aftermath (according to some) , most of the novels are pretty good, and all the ongoing comic books as well as limited series that ended are pretty good.

edited 31st Mar '16 11:28:30 AM by higherbrainpattern

Not for me, most of it has been pretty darn good. And some of it was great. And a lot of the EU stuff running up to the buyout was awful imo. Also I have nothing against Lucas as a person, he seems like a pretty decent guy overall from what I've heard. And I give him all the credit in the world for the initial spark, and all of the crap that he went through to get particularly the first two movies off of the ground. My issues with him are purely some of the creative decisions that he made of the last 15 years or so.

Also Disney is doing the whole "everything is canon, connected" thing, which is new. Lucas seemed to be, at best, ambivalent about a lot of the old EU stuff.

Yeah, Lucas had the various degrees of canon, like G-canon or whatever, which lead to a lot of inconsistencies (such as the whole Maul and Darth Talon thing which Lucas got mad about), whereas Disney/Lucasfilm are really pushing the "everything's connected" and the Lucasfilm Story Group is doing a great job of it so far.

edited 31st Mar '16 11:33:13 AM by higherbrainpattern

As an aside from all this...

We've seen the raw footage of David Prowse delivering his lines as Darth Vader, before they were re-dubbed with James Earl Jones' voice, and it just sounds weird compared to what we're used to.

But I was just wondering, how does Peter Mayhew deliver his lines as Chewbacca, before they dub in the Wookiee sound effects? The script reads something like this:

Han: Horizontal boosters!

Chewie barks

Han: Alluvial dampers!

Chewie barks

Han: No, that's not it. Bring me the hydrospanners!

So I can imagine the blooper reel going something like this:

Lucas: Cut! No, no! Once more from the top!

Ford: What was wrong with that take?

Lucas: Harrison, you were great. It's the wookiee. He keeps blowing his lines. Peter, I keep telling you, it's 'growl — bark — grunt'!

Ford: For crying out loud, Pete! How many times do we have to do this scene?

Mayhew: I'm sorry George. You can write this stuff, but you can't say it.

Behind the scene footage suggests that Peter simply talks like a regular person as oppose to barking.

edited 31st Mar '16 2:21:31 PM by Shadao