General Star Wars Thread

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Shipping knows no boundaries.

Including the boundaries of good taste. Or maybe I should say, especially the boundaries of good taste.

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Well, guess we know who Rey's parents are.

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@Air That'd be hilarious if Aphra and Vader were Rey's parents.

Tbh I would like it if Aphra turned out to be Rey's mom with Luke as the dad of course.

"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."

Rey isn't Luke's daughter! She is the result of Anakin's force ghost getting it on with the reincarnation of Padme making her the force born lil sister to Luke.

edited 5th Feb '16 5:50:28 PM by Memers

Rey is a Time Lord

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Considering they've already said that the series is about the Skywalkers, it is without doubt that Rey is a Skywalker's kid. She could be Luke's, or Leia's, or the daughter of some Anakin clone (I will never, ever watch another Star Wars movie if they pull that kind of bullshit). I'll probably enjoy the side movies, but I'm getting sick of the Skywalker clan. At least we get other things from the books and games. If they were all Skywalker stuff, I'd not be an SW fan at all.

There's probably not gonna be any clone bullshit at all.

shapeshifter clone army.

Infiltration plot.

Every senator in the New Republic is secretly a shapeshifter clone who replaced the originals in an Imperial mole operation

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

I know. But I mentioned it and covered my ass by saying outright I hated the idea and wasn't trying to plug it. It's just one of the three possible ways she could be a Skywalker.

See I think that you COULD make "Rey Random" work, but you'd be making more work for yourselves from a writing perspective. If she's related to a known character, be it Luke or Han/Leia, or whomever, then there's already a built in audience connection because you have beloved old characters and a new one who's already become really popular in her own right. So the audience has an investment in that dynamic, plus there's intriguing questions as to how she ended up living as a poor scavenger on Jakku all alone is she is related to them? It's a question that the audience would be interested to see answered.

Whereas if you make her related to no one that we know, especially if you then reveal that her parents are dead, you've made more work for yourself. Because you have characters that:

-We've never met before.

-We have no real reason to care about.

-You apparently decided to kill off offscreen BEFORE the film even begins.

-Etc.

So you have to work all the harder to make that dynamic compelling. Especially since there'd probably be a lot of audience members who'd be annoyed that you dragged out the "reveal" for so long, and threw in all of the references/teases to Luke and Anakin, only to them go "well actually, she's not related to them at all, made you look."

And while I'm fine with the saga eventually moving beyond the Skywalker/Solo clan, NOW just seems like an inopportune time to do it. If they do an Episode X-XII, which I wouldn't be at all surprised by, then sure. But it seems like this trilogy is the wrong place, just a thought anyway.

edited 5th Feb '16 11:41:52 PM by Punisher286

No, I don't, I absolutely do like the OT (ROTJ is my favorite of the six films), which is precisely why I hate it that TFA ripped it off this blatantly, without having the slighest clue of why this stuff worked in the OT in the first place.
And yes, I know someone will bring it up: how can I hate TFA, if ROTJ is my favorite? Well that's because ROTJ was only 20% rip-off, not 80%, it still brought enough new stuff to table, and the resolution of Luke's and Anakin/Vader's story-arcs are are satisfying enough to forgive the flaws. Rey on the other hand has no storyarc whatsoever, she asspulls the resolution against Kylo.

edited 5th Feb '16 11:56:51 PM by Werebazs

I think TFA did what it needed to do brilliantly.

So did I. I was really surprised at how much I liked it honestly. And the proof is in the pudding about them accomplishing what they needed to do.

That being said, the next two really should be more of their own thing.

As for me, it's Star Wars. M Night could have directed it and my ass would still be in that theater

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

I think the way they've set up the story, it's sort of ready to go in a different direction in Episode 8 because while the story was similar, the characters in the story are actually quite different.

Rey has some similarities to Luke, but she had a far harsher upbringing then he did and a mysterious origin. One, or both, of which has resulted in her being substantially more powerful then Luke was even in ESB.

Finn is a renegade Stormtrooper, a type of character the OT doesn't even treat as being possible. Which ultimately results in a character that is hypercompetant in a handful of things (most notably shooting blasters and inside knowledge of the First Order) and struggles with everything else.

Kylo Ren might act like he's the next Darth Vader, but in reality he's less skilled and much less stable then Vader was. Which means he's scary in the sense of "this is the kind of person who will bring a gun to school and shoot up the place" then in the "advancing wall of doom" sense Vader was.

Poe Dameron might have a few similarities to Han Solo, but his fierce loyalty to the cause far exceeds Han Solo's loyalty to the Rebel Alliance even in Return of the Jedi. Can you even imagine even Rot J Han Solo saying something like "The Rebel Alliance will not be intimidated by you" straight to Vader's face?

Okay, let's not go that far. That's what a lot of people said about The Last Airbender and he was a "fan" of that.

Merciless!

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Regarding the New Republic's demilitarization: one factor that occurs to me is, rather than how it parallels our history, instead to look at how very different their history is. As I understand it, before the Clones, the Republic didn't even have a military.

That's a pretty big deal. The Republic managed to go without a war for a thousand years. Imagine if every nation on Earth suddenly disbanded their militaries, disarmed all their missiles, agreed to just talk things over when there's a dispute, and then it worked. A millennium passed with no full-scale conflicts ever erupting. What kind of world would that be? What impact on the culture would it have?

What are their heroes like? It's unlikely that such a culture would revere people who are really good at violence. Are their action shows filled with valiant and noble diplomats who swoop into a hostile situation and heroically save the day with brilliant negotiating tactics? Are their popular video games more like Phoenix Wright and less like God of War?

The New Republic was awfully quick to declare the war over and disband their military but I can kind of see why, because they are a people for whom the Galactic Empire was a small blip of uncharacteristic violence in an otherwise impressive record of everlasting peace.

edited 6th Feb '16 6:57:49 AM by TobiasDrake

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Cultures aren't actually that durable, though. Germany and Japan did complete 180s in political philosophy after WWII, their 1965 incarnations being very different from 1935. Both countries today are quite anti-war in ways that would shock their incarnations from a century ago or two centuries ago. The Empire was twenty-five years of oppression; it would be within living memory of most New Republic soldiers, but it was such a change that it's doubtful that anyone outside of reactionaries would try to recreate the Republic exactly as it was.

Honestly, I think it was simply overcorrection. In their zeal to be "Not-The-Empire," they threw the baby out with the bathwater.

edited 6th Feb '16 7:05:58 AM by CrimsonZephyr

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

According to the Visual Dictionary, though, their efforts to be Not-the-Empire actually made them quite popular. So I'm not sure I really blame them.

Twas politics that killed the beast...

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

Their plan seems to have worked fine until the First Order built Starkiller.

Not really, the First Order would've struck one day anyway and the Resistance wasn't well liked in the new senate.

Imagine 30 Star Destroyers jumping in one day and dropping off a couple thousand troops on Hosnian Prime.

In the old EU the Republic had had a military since its inception but after the New Sith Wars and all the devastation there Tarsus Valorum thought it would be a good idea to disband the entire military and apparently just rely on police and Jedi.