and ItsAlwaysRainyAtFunerals: Its Always Sunny At Funerals

I realize that sometimes it's reasonable to have two tropes that are direct opposites, but I don't think they should both have "always" in their names. Moreover, It's Always Sunny at Funerals is far, far shorter than It Always Rains at Funerals, so it's really a case of one trope and a whole different trope for its handful of aversions. And then there's this sentence:

"Writers, take note: rain, shine, snow, overcast and pretty much every other type of weather are all symbolic of something during funerals, so if you want to write a funeral scene, just go ahead and use whichever one feels right; we're not judging."

That sounds like a call for a merge, or maybe It's Always Sunny at Funerals should just get cut entirely.

(Sorry about the misnamed title)

edited 16th Dec '11 11:21:27 AM by jewelleddragon

I'm skeptical of most tropes with "all," "always" or "every" in the title.

If these tropes are about a stereotype that the example plays into (e.g. a funeral is scheduled, people talk about how it will rain, and then it does in fact rain, or something like that) then fine, call it Its Always Rainy At Funerals. But if it's just a rainy funeral, and were noting rainy funerals from many works? Call it Rainy Funeral! And call the opposite, if both are tropes, Sunny Funeral.

We're fixing a whole family of tropes with a related problem in the Everything's Better With X discussion.

I think that the ironic contrast part of It's Always Sunny at Funerals is distinct enough that it deserves to be included in its own trope, so I am not sure that merging the two would really be a good idea.

However, I agree with jewelleddragon about the "Writers, take note" section being problematic. I would just scrap that part and maybe rename It's Always Sunny at Funerals to Sunny Funeral or something like it. I feel like the It Always Rains at Funerals plays into a common trend so the "always" part could be justified, but I welcome other thoughts about these two tropes.

edited 16th Dec '11 12:43:52 PM by LouieW

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Eh? Rainy funerals are actually meaningful and symbolic in a "The skies open up and weep for the loss of X along with the people around them" kind of way. Sunny though ... Not so much that is just PSOC IMO nothing meaningful about it or anything,

Cut Sunny IMO.

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Depends on usage of the weather, Raso. It can easily be used for ironic purposes.

But in that case, wouldn't it just be an aversion of It Always Rains at Funerals?

edited 16th Dec '11 3:27:56 PM by nrjxll

We have aversion tropes like that, when the aversion is significant. I agree with Louie W, leave it be, the irony of a beautiful day as you bury someone is a potent symbol and enough and a trope of it's own. Besides we are still far from covering every weather possibility for funerals, I don't think we're at the point we need to start cutting.

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Seems like a nitpicky complaint to me. Unless we're going for a blanket ban on the word "Always" in trope titles, what's the problem here?

Rhymes with "Protracted."

There only appear to be maybe four or six cases where the sun has any particular significance or gets any kind of mention (notice it doesn't even have a real page quote). The rest are just funerals that happen to be on clear days, with no indication of significance beyond it being easier to film/animate clear days.

Even if we don't split, do people think a rename and a better description are in order?

I think it's fine how it is. Though we should take out this line: Writers, take note: rain, shine, snow, overcast and pretty much every other type of weather are all symbolic of something during funerals, so if you want to write a funeral scene, just go ahead and use whichever one feels right; we're not judging.

SPATULA, Supporters of Page Altering To Urgently Lead to Amelioration (supports not going through TRS for tweaks and minor improvements.)

Well, "better description" practically goes without saying. May as well go for the rename while we're at it.

"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart

What's wrong with the name?

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"Always" tropes have a history of problems, to my knowledge. And it's mutually incompatible with It Always Rains at Funerals, which just seems silly.

If somebody still wants this trope renamed, I'm okay with that, but I don't have a problem with the "always" in the title.