OK, I just saw this last night at the Cinema Cafe... and while I agree that the stoner character was extremely entertaining, I really hated him by the end of the movie. The selfish prick purposefully and willfully doomed the world and is directly responsible for the deaths of 7 billion people!
Well, he wasn't alone, the girl decided the same thing. Plus, they doomed themselves as well. It's not like they're gonna be living.
Read my stories!That's how it ends? .
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Fuck you right back, Whedon.
edited 29th May '12 9:24:57 AM by maxwellelvis
Of course, don't you know anything about ALCHEMY?!- Twin clones of Ivan the GreatI dunno, I liked the ending. It's something that works well in context. Especially since it's supposed to be a sort of metaphor.
Read my stories!It's not really meant to be taken seriously, either. The movie is a comedy above all. Dark, but still a comedy.
Fight. Struggle. Endure. Suffer. LIVE.Wait, did you actually see the movie? Because in retrospect, your criticisms are too vague to be able to tell if you really did or not.
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Fuck you right back, Whedon.
...huh. You know, based on your earlier posts, I had assumed that you had seen the movie. But this post makes no sense if you had...
Yeah, that makes it so much better. Seriously, what a bunch of jerks.
I think the point was that a world in which that kind of thing is necessary for its continued survival - i.e., brutal sacrifices to Elder Gods that only let humanity exist by their whims - isn't worth it. Easy for us to say, "Oh, they should have gone through with it," but we haven't had our friends brutally killed one-by-one around us, and our worth evaluated as "sacrificial offerings". They probably aren't feeling particularly charitable towards the rest of humanity by that point.
edited 29th May '12 1:36:20 PM by pagad
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.Maybe he walked out halfway through?
Either or, it's really bad etiquette to bash the hell out of a film you haven't seen wholly.
Well, since all of humanity wasn't the one making the decision, them feeling uncharitable towards humanity would just make it even worse. I mean, it's just a secret agency running this, right? Just because they're evil doesn't mean you should off billions of completely innocent people.
edited 29th May '12 2:25:41 PM by CorrTerek
I'm not excusing their actions, just pointing out that they can't be expected to act rationally in those circumstances.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.And I'm just pointing out that people have a perfectly valid reason to hate the guy.
Fair enough.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.Why does everyone hate the stoner, but not the virgin? She's just as much to blame. Hate equally, guys.
Read my stories!I don't like to get to ethics regarding such wildly fantastic situations with so many unreal variables. I like to judge them by how well they fit the characters and the tone of the story.
It's kinda comparable to the ending of Escape From LA, where Snake Plissken detonates a planet-wide EMP-wave to send humanity back to the stone age. He ruins (or at least severely complicates) the lives of billions, and probably kills millions, but it's a perfect closure for Snake, so I don't judge him harshly for it.
I didn't hate them because it was pretty clearly a metaphor. As in "fuck the formula and your safe money. DO SOMETHING UNEXPECTED IN YOUR HORROR MOVIES!"
Read my stories!Ironically, the formula for horror movie endings right now (at least as I see it) is to spare one or two characters until the last minute and then kill them just when the viewers think they're going to survive. That's exactly what happens in Cabin.
edited 29th May '12 3:26:59 PM by Kerrah
Wait, max has spent this thread Complaining About A Movie He Didn't Watch?
What the fuck, man?
Eh, the ending was okay. It was...weird...
And if I claim to be a wise man, well, it surely means that I don't know.So lemme see if I've got this right. Joss wanted to do something different that was both a tribute to horror movies he loved whilst at the same time pointing out the FLAWS of current horror movies...and he does this by following the EXACT SAME FORMULA as current horror movies, from the stereotypical characters, the out-of-place innapproriate humor,and the ending in which you spare one or two characters until the last minute and then kill them just when the viewers think they're going to survive.
...there's a certain way that satire works. This...isn't...it. He hasn't made a witty or funny or dramatic commentary on Horror movies of the day and how bad they've gotten. He's just made a bad horror movie! BUT. WORSE.
It took commonly used tropes, and showed the logical means necessary. That is definitely not playing them straight.
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Well, the movie was a pretty good satire from where I'm sitting. It effectively lampooned horror movie tropes much more effectively, than, say, Scream, which was mostly content to just remark on the tropes as they're used, rather than subverting or deconstructing them.
"The secret we should never let the gamemasters know is that they don't need any rules." - E. Gary GygaxThe problem is that he tries to have his cake and eat it too. That's what I dislike about him. That and his disdain for faith, religion, and happy endings, something which all major religions have lots of in regards to "end of the world" stories-wait...no WONDER he hates Christianity, it's ALL about a big, happy ending at the end of the tunnel over demonic forces! Wow, now his dickish attitude makes total sense!
...wait what does religion have to do with this.
Read my stories!
As soon as I read the last sentance, I thought of a giant Andy Samberg choke-slamming an Ancient One while screaming "Groooouuuund!!!"
edited 24th May '12 1:01:17 PM by Abracadavre
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