Fallout Equestria

What can I say, where I live, Illegally trespassing and occupying private property has very different connotations.

We have shanty towns too. We call them "townships". There's a difference between that and actually being in someone's home when they're a known enemy and refusing to leave. If someone invaded my home, I would repel them with lethal force. I know of too many cases of people being raped, beaten, shot or stabbed in such situations.

Let's call this one quits. We're getting nowhere as usual.

I think I decided on the title of the next chapter in my FOE fic. "And We Were Cast Into the Night."

I'm making an effort to come up with snazzy titles for this. Not happy with the title of chapter 2. "Taking on the World" is boring and uncreative. Maybe something like "Too Big and Too Wide," but that might be redundant...

You haven't read past the first paragraph. Read further. The key point isn't the shanty towns, but the occupation of buildings that are perfectly habitable but are withheld from the market for the sake of artificially maintaining high prices. This is a direct violation of private property, and given how many families have been evicted and thrown on the street due to the current recession and the 25% unemployment rate, I can't help but support them. Another common thing is for communities to take over an abandoned country house or building and reform and rebuild and make it theirs. Some extremely interesting communes have been developed this way. They're still blatantly violating private property and they can find themselves at odds with the owners and the police, though.

Plus, I was raised by communists, in a large extended family household with about twenty inhabitants and three generations under the same roof; and "share your stuff" and "tolerate the presence of people you can't stand" was a pretty strong imperative. "Respond to personal slights and challenges to your status quickly, violently and decisively" was also something that was drilled into me, by example and practice rather than by exhortation.

As a matter of fact, I don't think these discussions are entirely fruitless;

• The irrelevance of private property titles in a postapocalyptic world, and the struggle to establish a sensible system of property, wealth distribution, labour, and so on. There's obviously a lot of room for experimentation, and this topic is usually completely glossed over by the games and fanfics. We never see any transactions in real estate, for instance, or any conflicts of territory or ownership that aren't of the violent kind. Judicial authorities to enforce any contracts? Cadastral registries? What about inheritance and legacies? Tribalism? Etc.
• Society within Stables, Factions and Tribes can be subject to interesting variations. Not all "families" are alike. How do they approach conflict-resolution? What are their mores? Their codes, their values?

I'm just saying, there's a lot of sociological mileage one can take out of Postapocalyptia.

edited 30th Oct '14 9:47:05 AM by TheHandle

Which means that no one was living there beforehand. And as such is completely removed from this situation. These are armed individuals, entering what for all intents and purposes is his bedroom while he is there and making demands of him while refusing to leave. They are not there for shelter. They are threatening him via invasion of his space and more importantly, the Gardens he's sworn to protect. This isn't someone squatting in someone else's property. This is taking over their home. The place they sleep.

I am not communist, but I'm definitely not capitalist either and I'd otherwise agree with you on this. Still doesn't stop this from being completely divorced from the situation.

I can never condone the use of violence in response to anything but other violence. I'm a pacifist, if less of one than Pannic. Invading a home while armed is violence.

Maybe it's just because my eyes glazed over, but I lost track of what you two are supposed to be arguing about, 'cause I think Handle, like, switched sides or something and I'm confused.

If this keeps up I'll have to write a TL;DR about my problems with Homage in order to get things on-topic.

Oh, please do.

Also, Sereg is right this time. I concede. (Sorry, slip of the tongue).

edited 30th Oct '14 1:28:57 PM by TheHandle

Sereg.

I honestly starting to think the TV Tropes brony community has outgrown this site.

I dunno about you, but I like being able to have every Wiki Word Trope at my beck and call.

What makes you say so?

Anyway, I was successfully cured of my drive to write any Fo E fanfics I think, also writer obviously has a clear headcanon (which also sucks, eg. he places zebras on the North on Eq's equivalent of the north pole, rather than the South as it'd be logical) and I just disvovered a bunch of better wartime fics so.

On a brighter note, I really enjoyed the Prolouge chapter of Fo E: Heroes. Partially I think because it addresses right off the bat one of the problems that Fo E fails to, ie: that if the way to make a better world is to kill everyone unworthy/beyond redemption then what is it that you get left with. For those who haven't read it and don't mind spoilers, it's essentially like this. Our protagonist lives in a town that's pretty much on the verge of economic breakdown as other nearby settlements it used to trade with disappear and is taken over/kept alive by a raider party. Our hero one day decides she had enough of it and like any good Fo E protagonist, butchers about a dozen of them before he is confronted by their leader, Smooth Tongue, and they have a conversation which makes her realize that most of those she killed were citizens who sided with the raiders, culminating in the revelation that her brother who she originally wanted to rescue is also one of them. (She then escapes and becomes a wandering mercenary yadda yadda) I kinda lost interest after this chapter but it was really interesting. Smooth Voice has believable dialouge, the hero's reactions also seem natural...Kinda want fics to take this direction pls.

edited 30th Oct '14 5:43:32 PM by Vree

Ignoring that post.

I don't understand the "outgrown Tv Tropes" bit. Could you explain?

If you ask me, TVT has outgrown the brony movement, and is in serious need of trimming and editing the more obnoxious and or overly enthusiastic entries. Like, do we really need a separate page of tropes for each of the Mane Six?

I'm pretty sure Kkat's rough geographical descriptions have, indeed, placed the zebra's home continent as being across a narrow land bridge over/near the planet's North Pole.

edited 30th Oct '14 7:16:42 PM by ILSS

No. They came in to force him to do stuff. They are armed. There is no reason to believe that they wouldn't have used violence as coercion.

They came to intercept the group for flying above the cloud cover, and then wanted to arrest Calamity once they identified him, for violating his banishment. They weren't really interested in Spike at all.

It's not simply that he kills one of them that people object to, it's that he casually does so in a horrifying and slow manner after their attempts at peaceful negotiation inadvertently offend him.

edited 30th Oct '14 9:26:22 PM by ILSS

Absolutely.

But it is impossible to outgrow TV Tropes. TV Tropes is universal. All-encompassing. All-devouring. All hail TV Tropes!

We remember that scene differently. I might be wrong. It's been a while, but let's go through these anyway.

Doesn't matter. Calamity was Spike's guest.

I don't see a problem with this.

This is a good thing. Sinks the message in and makes it less likely he'll have to kill anypony else.

I saw nothing slow about that death. She was instantly incinerated. Severe burns aren't even painful as they destroy the nerves before pain can be felt.

What attempts at peaceful negotiation? They marched in uninvited, armed, made de demands and refused to leave after being told to.

Vree: As I explained on my blog (where you were considerably more polite), you are understandably mistaken. I didn't put the zebra lands in the north pole.

In the headcanon that I was working with, the frozen north is Equestria's equivalent of the arctic. (If it helps, think of it this way: once you get to the Crystal Empire, everything is south.)

The zebra lands on on an entirely different continent. The only ways to get to that continent are either across the ocean or by traveling over the top of the globe and down the other side — a bitterly cold and treacherous journey which requires traveling over Shattered Hoof Ridge on the Equestrian side of the arctic cap and across a narrow isthmus on the zebra's side.

As for your other questions:

The last episode obliquely referenced was May the Best Pet Win. The point of divergence, in my opinion, is Read It and Weep because that is the episode where the animators changed all the clocks in the show to conform to our 12-hour clock. (Fallout: Equestria makes a few minor references to the Equestrian 8-hour clock that was seen throughout Season 1. It is a minor thing, but the first point where the show and the story suffered an unexplainable disconnect.)

I don't really follow your "hyper advanced society" question. Are you confusing levels of technology with culture? Or are you considering a culture based on first century Roman Empire "hyper advanced"? Or are you saying that tribal cultures are naturally inferior? In any case, it is wrong to assume that a continent of indigenous peoples cannot have multiple cultures. Nor is it correct to assume that if the governmental center of an empire fits one model, that the same model will apply to the outlying rural areas.

Propaganda naturally paints the other side as the bad guys. You should always consider the context and source of historical records.

Fallout: Equestria doesn't specify who invented guns. However, "Origin Story" (which is not canon, merely headcanon) states that the zebras invented them to deal with monsters in their homeland, much of which is "wild" like the Everfree Forest. Either way, Equestria has had cannons since the first season, so the development of the technology was hardly out of reach.

edited 31st Oct '14 5:18:06 AM by Kkatman

Any adorable-ish PH art to be found? Figure if I'm going to be noticed as a fan with a pone wallpaper, it might as well be a good one.

Just browse Derpiboo. There's some lovely stuff around.

If you're looking for wallpapers specifically... there you go.

This one?

That actually sort of happened. Loosely speaking.

Here are some of the ones I've been using, roughly ranked from most to least adorable-ish. Though of course YMMV.

Blackjack listening to music on a couch.

Rampage.

Group shot.

Blackjack with D&S in a hallway. (I like those eyebrows, and why are ponies with eyeteeth so cute!?)

Blackjack, probably based on Deus Ex.

Blackjack with a shotgun.

Sad Blackjack.

Blackjack with glowing eyes.◊