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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#13177: Aug 19th 2014 at 6:21:41 PM

Is this going to be a Fallout mod or are Bethesda going to license the Fallout 3 assets so that the makers can make it a commercial game?

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13178: Aug 19th 2014 at 6:29:25 PM

ummm neither, it's just fans making it on their own, no mod, a full game built from the ground up.

edited 19th Aug '14 6:29:32 PM by Seraphem

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#13179: Aug 19th 2014 at 6:50:19 PM

From the mod's youtube page:

"Made using Unity 3 D

Fallout: Equestria by Kkat

Fallout 3 models © Bethesda"

I recognized those models for the bed and sideboard straight away. Seen them often enough in 3 and New Vegas.

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#13180: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:26:44 PM

All them ponies have soul staring eyes.

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Darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
#13181: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:38:25 PM

Cool there's voice acting n' stuff. I can't imagine how they'll do it though, given Fo:E all but goes out of it's way to make linear violent events, so if anything this requires even more than just adapting the storyline, but also alternate paths to get there.

"No will to break."
SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
The filidh that cam frae Skye
#13182: Aug 20th 2014 at 12:43:21 AM

I still think a total conversion Fallout 3 or New Vegas mod would have been much better.

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DeathCloud Wish granter from Z'ha'dum Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Wish granter
#13183: Aug 20th 2014 at 5:29:12 AM

Still would prefer game based on original Fallout engine, but that wishful thinking.

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Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#13184: Aug 20th 2014 at 10:36:39 AM

are Bethesda going to license the Fallout 3 assets so that the makers can make it a commercial game?
I can't tell if this is an unfunny joke or just a stupid question.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#13185: Aug 20th 2014 at 1:37:10 PM

Nah, not worth it.

edited 20th Aug '14 1:38:17 PM by TamH70

Darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
#13186: Aug 20th 2014 at 3:52:32 PM

If it was Valve maybe.

"No will to break."
IcyShake Since: Aug, 2013
#13187: Aug 20th 2014 at 5:03:56 PM

Even if every company that ever touched the Fallout franchise said, today, "You can not only license our IP, here, have our source code and distribution channels!" this would never be a commercial game. Hasbro would shut that down in an instant. Matter of fact, getting a license from Bethesda would probably attract a C&D even faster than staying moderately under the radar, like the publicity around Fighting is Magic got it killed/turned into not-ponies.

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#13189: Aug 22nd 2014 at 12:53:25 AM

[up]Hmm new one. Now in my favs.

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13190: Aug 22nd 2014 at 11:22:39 AM

Epic Rap Battle: Kkat vs. Somber

I love these things. It's better if you've read PH as well so that you get all the puns.

edited 22nd Aug '14 11:23:25 AM by Unknownlight

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13191: Aug 22nd 2014 at 11:57:59 AM

Well, 'Kkat' won that hooves down and, yeah given everything it had to defend Somber was just ridiculous or outright lying... yeah loved it.

IcyShake Since: Aug, 2013
#13192: Aug 23rd 2014 at 11:33:12 PM

Well, that was kind of fun. I think "Kkat" probably took the argument largely on the basis of "Somber" setting too high a bar with the claim that the franchise would be dead without him. That said, if he'd set a more modest goalpost, I think I'd probably have given it to the Somber character, given better individual points, but that's not saying too much since neither's were that good on the whole.

Going through some of the worse ones:

  • (Kkat says) [Somber writes] like Blackjack has sex: too much and blind drunk.

"Kkat" must not like sex much, but that's neither here nor there. However, it is rich coming from the person who wrote Littlepip and Homage. Also, Blackjack gets unstoppable when drunk. Way to undermine your own point.

  • (Somber says) Kkat's scared to let their character die.

Riiiight.

  • (Somber says) If Kkat's reclusive, why publish to Fimfiction?

Ironic given Somber published "Simply Rarity" to Fimfiction last month. But then, he's never acted or claimed to be reclusive. The bigger issue here is, what does it have to do with anything?

  • (Somber says) Would be dead without Somber.

Trying to prove way, way too much. "I'm better enough than you that we shouldn't be compared" is a way lower hurdle than "without me, one of the biggest brony subfandoms would be dead."

  • (Kkat says) I have plushies, a printed book, and a video game.

Somber also has plushies and is slated to have a printed book after Project Horizons is done being published. The computer game is nothing like complete. Gets maybe .5/3, but nice try.

  • (Kkat says) "You're the villain of the piece"

"Kkat" apparently forgot that phrase's connotation in the context of their own story. What the hell?

  • (Kkat says) Red and black alicorns haven't been cool in years

"Kkat" doesn't understand parody.

  • (Kkat says) My voice is canon

No, I believe that's actually explicitly the opposite of what Kkat's said before—anything outside the story isn't canon. I could be wrong about that one, though.

  • (Kkat says) Original always wins.

Um . . . Stargate SG-1, The Empire Strikes Back, Battlestar Galactica, The Lord of the Rings, at least the first two Nolan Batman movies, Superman, the US Constitution, the Eastern Roman Empire, two orders of magnitude more Christians in the world than Jews, the Conversion Bureau fandom (by my understanding), and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic would like to have a word with you. And they aren't alone.

  • (Somber says) World building [Kkat's] story lacked

Give me a break. That was the point of leaving things open.

In conclusion, both are seriously ignorant and/or arguing in bad faith, but Somber's points tended to be a little bit less self-refuting than Kkat's, which was unfortunately undone by the fact he set himself a more difficult task. Also, I found it interesting that both made use of Somber's characters (Kkat seeming to get references to Blackjack, Boo, and Caprice only right-ish at that) to the effective exclusion of Kkat's. I'm not sure what's up with that.

All in all D on arguments but fun enough to be worth listening to again sometime.

edited 23rd Aug '14 11:40:34 PM by IcyShake

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13193: Aug 24th 2014 at 5:49:29 AM

No, I'd give Kkat at least a B, F- - for Somber's.

edited 24th Aug '14 5:49:35 AM by Seraphem

Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13194: Aug 24th 2014 at 11:26:32 AM

...So, on one hand, we have Icy Shake, who did an in-depth analysis of the arguments. As amusing as it was to read, if you've watched Jacob's other videos it's clear that these rap battles are just an excuse to make silly rhymes about the FO:E-verse, and actually analyzing the arguments is a lost cause because it's not really supposed to be a fight.

On the other hand, we have Seraphem, who takes everything to do with PH too seriously, and can't just have fun with it without being legitimately insulting (rather than the video's fake-insulting). The irony is I'm pretty sure Seraph would like PH if he read it.

Neither really took it as just a fun distraction. tongue

Why did I expect anything different?

(Seraph, if it makes you feel better, Somber commented on the video himself and said he lost.)

edited 24th Aug '14 11:41:16 AM by Unknownlight

IcyShake Since: Aug, 2013
#13195: Aug 24th 2014 at 11:39:50 AM

[up]Oh, don't get me wrong. I like the Epic Rap Battles concept and find them a lot of fun. I also know that they aren't meant to be serious arguments. However, picking apart arguments is, for me, a fun distraction, similar to how my favorite part of the first live-action G.I. Joe movie was laughing hysterically in the scene when all the ice was sinking in the ocean (basically, on the production end I'm more of a natural Cinema Sins person than Epic Rap Battles). Until it was cancelled, there was one New York Times online column that I read every week just for the fun of picking apart all the errors of fact and analysis in it. Sorry if it didn't really come through as something done in fun, though. On which note, I do regret my post's last sentence, the tone of which was far harsher than the light flippancy I'd intended.

I mean, I don't think I'm this extreme, and I know it's not a great character trait, but there's at the very least a bit of mid-1990s Wally in me.

edited 24th Aug '14 12:27:11 PM by IcyShake

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13196: Aug 24th 2014 at 12:17:06 PM

I would like it?

When the very opening premise, the very setup of just the first chapter itself freaking disgusts me on so many levels? When i KNOW there are numerous events that I find completely repulsive. AND with how badly it savages, distorts and alters another story, that it would not exist without and forms the bedrock of it's entire framework, for it's own grandeur, altering the events and characters in ways that completely remove and twist or go against the entire meaning they originally had?

Maybe... MAYBE if it had zero, none, not a single direct connection to a story that I LOVE and that has such intense meaning to me. Which it then does nothing but destroy and alter, and, do all the above.. to. Even then, shit like the foals, chapter 33, Still the very concept of stable 99, even without the added twist of "Fuck you" I get towards what I loved about FOE by it not being a Stable.

What is there to love about that story, as a whole, when any good parts are counterbalanced y that?

Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
#13197: Aug 24th 2014 at 12:45:54 PM

You could read it and find out!

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13198: Aug 24th 2014 at 12:57:46 PM

See the above not even being able to get past the very concept, of the set up, of the location of the first chapter without a massive wave of disgust, anger, rage, hatred, and just such intense loathing for how badly it twists one of the greatest parts of the original story. Just to even get started.

ILSS Since: Jan, 2001
#13199: Aug 24th 2014 at 1:14:49 PM

Seraphem, have you ever questioned whether your devotion towards Fallout: Equestria might be just a little bit excessive?

Seraphem Since: Oct, 2009
#13200: Aug 24th 2014 at 1:18:23 PM

Nope, it's worth all of it and more.


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