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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#401: Aug 26th 2012 at 12:29:25 PM

[up]While interesting, and pretty factual. The author is so condescending and pompous about it I want to floor them.

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JHM Apparition in the Woods from Niemandswasser Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Hounds of love are hunting
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#402: Aug 26th 2012 at 1:08:58 PM

While Vyctorian and I rarely see eye-to-eye, this is one time I have to concur, at least a little. The article makes a fine point about the nature of long-form character pieces—namely, that external conflict drives internal conflict—but his tone is excessively condescending. Yes, the person he portrays in his example is a bit of a twit, but the fact that he chose to frame the issue in that way gives a bad impression; he's saying less, "I do not suffer fools gladly," than, "I am surrounded by fools."

I'll hide your name inside a word and paint your eyes with false perception.
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#403: Aug 27th 2012 at 4:12:28 PM

Monday:

edited 27th Aug '12 4:17:11 PM by chihuahua0

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#404: Aug 28th 2012 at 4:40:53 PM

Tuesday:

edited 28th Aug '12 4:55:29 PM by chihuahua0

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#405: Aug 28th 2012 at 9:14:00 PM

I've been noticing a lot of the articles which seem the most informative seem to be written with the idea that you will be writing in first person, which makes it confusing for a primarily third person writer like me.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#406: Aug 28th 2012 at 9:15:33 PM

Could you give a few examples?

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Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#407: Aug 28th 2012 at 9:23:04 PM

Well the measuring stick one from Monday is what triggered this thought but there have been others which made me feel it was worth mentioning,. I'll have to back trace for a bit to find a few more examples though.

I was just wondering aloud how common first person narrative is in these author's book choices.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#409: Aug 30th 2012 at 7:22:47 PM

Thursday:

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#410: Aug 31st 2012 at 7:37:41 PM

By the way, thoughts on this article? Would you say you're less bothered by it than the last article on the subject?

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#411: Aug 31st 2012 at 9:28:15 PM

I think the thing that bugs me abut that guy's tone (I read a lot of articles on that website the other day) is that he's trying to sell his books and workshops and things, so he's trying to sound as if he has all of the answers and everything he says is indisputably the only right way of doing things. It bothers people.

edited 31st Aug '12 10:09:46 PM by LoniJay

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#412: Aug 31st 2012 at 10:04:44 PM

I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but yes.

EldritchBlueRose The Puzzler from A Really Red Room Since: Apr, 2010
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#413: Sep 1st 2012 at 8:51:50 AM

I don't like how he shoves his books and workshops down my throat. If I want writing books to read I could just ask a few other writers what they found helpful. If I want to attend a workshop I'll get some money and go to Clarion (for short stories) or Odyssey or Orson Scott Card's Writing Boot Camp et cetera. If you want to share some writing books or workshops, then share someone else's books that you found helpful or your experience at someone else's workshop.

Also when I look at a writer's blog I look for the writer's personality. I want to find out the writer's interests, enjoy some of his or her humor, and just get to know the person. Larry Brooks only lectures people on how they should write. Why should I touch your books or follow your blog if I don't know who you are?

Selling a story is about making a connection with a person, either as writer to reader or reader to reader.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#414: Sep 1st 2012 at 11:34:23 AM

From scanning through some of his recent posts, he isn't really pushing his services and products down the readers' throats. He has a "call-to-action" at the end of each post, and he occasionally mention them in passing, but his advice is front-and-center, instead of the promotion.

And I think his voice might come off as impersonal because of the straight-forward style, but I would say there are flickers of personality now and then.

edited 1st Sep '12 11:35:40 AM by chihuahua0

LoniJay from Australia Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
#415: Sep 1st 2012 at 5:19:29 PM

What personality it does show seemed to be mostly bossy and condescending to me =P

I don't know what it is that causes it,but it just reads like he's putting himself up higher than all his readers in a way that other writing advice blogs I've read don't.

Be not afraid...
chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#416: Sep 1st 2012 at 5:54:38 PM

Actually, I probably should've asked permission before doing this (and I didn't because I have done something similar to this before), but earlier this week, when I posted the first link to his blog, I relayed one of the pieces of criticism to him and he responded. Should I quote his email?

And I think a part of his tone comes from the fact he have been writing and coaching other writers for years, maybe decades.

edited 1st Sep '12 5:55:50 PM by chihuahua0

chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#417: Sep 3rd 2012 at 1:11:32 PM

Monday:

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#418: Sep 3rd 2012 at 1:47:58 PM

Daily Writing Tips: How to Identify Email Spam: An amusing breakdown of a message from "the FBI".

Hilarious.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#419: Sep 3rd 2012 at 1:49:44 PM

@chih

Do you still have that cast herding blog you did, I went to check it and it wasn't loading.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#420: Sep 3rd 2012 at 1:56:07 PM

[up] Does this load?

Read it fast then. The thing about this is that this is the page that I get when previewing blog posts. They're not meant to be seen by a third party, but I find it works for when you want to show someone a sneak peek of an upcoming article.

If you want to use it as a guest post, or you know anyone else who would be interested in it, let me know.

It's a rough draft though, so I would have to revise it.

edited 3rd Sep '12 1:57:03 PM by chihuahua0

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#421: Sep 3rd 2012 at 2:00:18 PM

Ahh okay. Do you have any idea when it might be coming out as a full blog post?

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#422: Sep 3rd 2012 at 2:10:30 PM

I'm not sure. I just wrote it yesterday on a whim.

My current plans is to restructure it and pitch it as a guest post, but depending on what other articles I write, I might put it up on the main blog.

The problem is that I'm still figuring out the purpose of my blog and what kind of posts I write about. So far, I seem to be leaning more toward "a writer's life" than "writing craft", if that makes any sense.

But one problem is that most of my Monday posts are all over the place (with plenty delving interviews and such), so I have no idea what basis I should be using.

All I know is that a part of my blog philosophy is "don't say the same stuff that everyone else's saying!" and "don't be afraid to question anything—within limits." (You can argue I was aiming for the latter with my post on politics, since I was aiming to be slightly controversial. I'm yet to tick anyone off, so at least I didn't say anything overly wrong.)

Typing it out like this helps.

One problem is: What am I aiming for with The YA's Dogtown? Who am I helping, and how?

Thinking about it, I should be rewriting my "About" page.

edited 3rd Sep '12 2:11:56 PM by chihuahua0

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#423: Sep 3rd 2012 at 2:12:07 PM

I'm... deeply confused as to why you expected a non-partisan post that told people to keep politics out of their blog to stir up much controversy.

Vyctorian ◥▶◀◤ from Domhain Sceal Since: Mar, 2011
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#424: Sep 3rd 2012 at 2:15:31 PM

Perhaps because the very mention of politics tends to induce rage in some folks.

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chihuahua0 Since: Jul, 2010
#425: Sep 3rd 2012 at 2:26:34 PM

[up] This.

Sometimes mentioning politics in a non-political conversation, at the very least, make people uneasy. I experienced this when talking worldbuilding with other writers during a Google+ hangout. We veered away from real-world politics while laughing nervously.

Keep in mind that there are plenty of Republican and Democrats in the writing world.

edited 3rd Sep '12 2:27:05 PM by chihuahua0


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