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Cloe is the goddess of progress, Elena encompass the nature as tool mentality with Selena and I have my own counter god of the forge as well.

Also again improper use of schizophrenia, and no I'm not dropping this issue.

edited 7th Jul '12 8:30:22 PM by Vyctorian

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Actually, given that we have so many versions of the same thing, is it possible to have each of them a version limited to a culture, and it is up to the GM to decided whether or not they are all worshipping the same deity?

I don't think so, Cloe is already expressed as being different and more detailed.

edited 7th Jul '12 8:52:05 PM by Vyctorian

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Inconsistent, I mean, sorry

Re The Brotherhood and the Theories of Godhood, that is exactly the kind of stuff its members would spend hours discussing. Otherwise only specialized clerics (such as those of Veritas) would argue such matters. To everyone else, a god is a god, whether terrestrial or celestial, all they know is that they'd better keep them happy, or else (though of course there's people who genuinely love their deities too.)

As for which theory is correct, I favor the second.

I like the conflicting theories. It feels very Sceal.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

Hence my idea of differring theories due to culture and let GM decide, so of like the new Vampire origin.

That works well for the other things but not gods which have known forms and even interact of the world regularly.

Also counter proposal-

Hollic, terrestrial God of the forge -

Hollic was a blacksmith in a nation that existed before the times of Hrod, the nation was at war with itself both civil and social. Hollic only cared for his forge and crafted the best weapons, armor and tools possible, and he did not care which side they went to or what they were for. Hollic became both famous and infamous to all sides in the war, his armor was lighter yet thicker then any armor made without the aid of magic before him. He's weapons sharper and lighter as well, his tools outlasted all others.

The wars passed, the side who won didn't matter to him, he now had a new focus and drive, reconstruction. a new unknown area to test his craft. He built a massive forge with the money he had amassed and began to work on ideas few had dared to before. Having his name be known by both solider and worker alike and his massive forge standing as a testament to the blacksmiths craft the aether pooled around him and he became the god of the forge.

Even though he is a god now and has full access to the aether energies his dominion granted him. Hollic still prefers to forge his items by hand and only enchants them once he has fully finished with the item in question.

He generally will work for anyone who is willing to pay him either in craftable material or in worship / teaching others the craft. He has made many friends but a few enemies due to his willingness to craft things for both sides in a war.

As for his forge it and city he lived in are gone to history and the land as he teleported them all to another plane shortly after he got his godly powers. It's said that any weapon/tool/armor crafted in the forge is blessed as holy automatically.

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When was it ever said that the gods were understood? Most mortals don't have a clue how the gods work, not even knowing the difference between Terrestrials and Celestials. And we have established that there are gods who are worshipped differently and under different names by different cultures.

Specifically a blacksmith god; not a god of machinery or other tech. I like it, but we also need a god or gods of technology, machines, engineering etc.

edited 8th Jul '12 4:20:39 PM by Exelixi

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

That's of the god's choice though for the most part. While people will worship how they please, the god can easily speak to clerics and tell them at the very least "Hey this is my preferred name"

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Why would a god- or at least a Celestial- care?

Answer: They wouldn't. While Terrestrials have some semblance of personal identity, Celestials quite literally are what people perceive them as. Hence Elena's mental issues.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

If someone asks, a Celestial god will tell them their real name. If someone calls them something else, they accept it as a cute nickname.

&I beg to differ, we've already established the gods even celestial ones for the most part have very human emotions and reactions, the more orange and blue gods*

may not give a damn but they'd be the exception not the rule. Are celestial gods still have a sense of identity it's just one that can be heavily altered by the perception of the world, basically the equivalent of real world peer pressure.

Mental issues like Elena may be very reason why one god perhaps a younger one may insist on being called by one name.

edited 8th Jul '12 5:02:09 PM by Vyctorian

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What defines a Celestial's "real" name? They'd have no reason to be tied to mortal languages- or if they were, they would be all dead languages. Very, very dead languages.

Additionally, a Celestial's "emotions" should be difficult for mortals to understand- the only real reason for priests to exist, if you consider it for a moment, is because laymen don't understand the gods. That and, from a more Doylist perspective, we need some degree of separation between the two sorts, and because arcane, barely-comprehensible forces of nature are more interesting than just blokes with lots of power.

edited 8th Jul '12 5:04:55 PM by Exelixi

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I don't see that as a problem.

Even normal, everyday people who interact with others everyday, their different circles of friends and family will see them slightly differently and interpret their behaviour according to their experience with other people, let alone gods who would interact with millions of people from different cultures.

Or put it this way, different people in America sees Barrack Obama in different ways, right? That's just limited to one culture. If you look at people from other countries as well you get many different versions of him.

Yes, but that's not the issue here, as all those cultures still call Barrack Obama, Barrack Obama.

Again I disagree, Though I will say I'm not against this type of thinking entirely and I do see ways it could work but While hard to understand gods can be fun, I don't feel all the celestials should be that way.

Also whose to say their names don't still come from dead languages and just carried over into modern tongues, given that they are ancient gods they would likely have that amount of indirect influence on the world.

Another thing is having most celestial names unite the cultures could help players and GM's build relationships better between vastly different cultures, which would be especially helpful in games where "bash their head" in isn't an option.

edited 8th Jul '12 5:14:53 PM by Vyctorian

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Oh, sure, the name itself will be the same, but their interpretations can be vastly different. One culture may think that the best way to worship Cloe will be to turn themselves into half machines, another may think that Cloe wants them to enhance what nature has already given them. And who knows, maybe a culture managed to mix Cloe and Elena up, no matter how many times Cloe and Elena comes to try to clear things up (because, that culture is THAT STUBBORN), causing many lols and Facepalms from the other gods.

Also, given that the gods (particularly Celestials) are influenced by how their worshippers percieve them... well, you get the idea.

edited 8th Jul '12 5:24:31 PM by IraTheSquire

If not Celestials, what?

Try to understand, for a moment, the night sky.

Go ahead, try it.

It's not something one can understand without deep, deep meditation and possibly psychedelic drugs. Most things are like this.

In general, gods of social constructs (revenge) should be easy to understand, while gods of concrete things (the sun) should be a little more orange.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

Okay. I understand the night sky, not to hard.

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Well, for one thing *we* need an official name for every deity to be listed under. However, yes, every culture is likely to have its own names for each. Even for Terrestrial ones, if they're widely known enough. Our names simply are the best known/most widely used. And of course every individual GM should be free to rename a deity if it suits his or her campaign. This should make little difference to most deities, in any case.

edited 8th Jul '12 5:43:48 PM by Sijo

fine.

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That's why I suggested waaaaaay back at the beginning that Celestials should just be called what they are.

Mura: -flips the bird to veterinary science with one hand and Euclidean geometry with the other-

Oh hey, I should probably get around to filling out the ballot.

• Andakishnu God of Heroes: Yes
• Flesh Duegar: Yes
• Errata #1 Name Change: Titans, Ogres and Giants: No. "Promethean Men" sounds cooler than "Ogres."
• Errata #2 More Name Changes Change all instances of 'Oblivionism' and 'Nihilism' to 'Hadhism': Yes
• Black Empire Facts #6: No. The Hall of the Fallen is cool, but the other two seem to just be "Hrod effortlessly pwns people."
• Chosen The Celestial Incarnate, Avatars: Yes. They're basically godspawn for Celestials, right?
• Our Lady of the wooded night - goddess of traveling at night and dryad: Yes
• The Dryad - Humanoid gift spirits: Yes
• Elena's Chosen Elemental Born, Princes of the World: Yes
• Yaodune: Yes
• Ezom: Yes
• Lryndarn: Yes
• The Ivory shadow: Yes
• World Spine The New Lands, and couple different names to the Orcs: Yes
• The Uncountable: Yes
• Smite Evil Ethoturgy: Yes
• Razor chain blade - Mundane magical item: Yes
• Elena and the Nosferatu: Yes
• The Great archipelago-: Yes
• The Machine Empire of Purity: Yes
• On the Nature of Corporeal Undead (Magic): Yes
• Revenant: Yes
• Gnomish Sylvan Also, Polsu Kles: Yes

I support this. The main celestial could be named after whatever it's the god for, while the various personas have different names. Like, using Earth cultures, the Celestial God Lightning would have the lecherous persona Zeus and the bruiser persona Thor.

Tiergan Khalon

• Andakishnu God of Heroes -no
• Flesh Duegar -no
• Errata #1 Name Change: Titans, Ogres and Giants -no
• Errata #2 More Name Changes Change all instances of 'Oblivionism' and 'Nihilism' to 'Hadhism'. - yes
• Black Empire Facts #6 - yes
• Wyrm -yes
• Chosen The Celestial Incarnate, Avatars - no
• Our Lady of the wooded night - goddess of traveling at night and dryad -yes
• The Dryad - Humanoid gift spirits -yes
• Elena's Chosen Elemental Born, Princes of the World - no
• Yaodune -yes
• Ezom -yes
• Lryndarn -yes
• The Ivory shadow - yes
• World Spine The New Lands, and couple different names to the Orcs -yes
• The Uncountable -yes
• Smite Evil Ethoturgy -yes
• Razor chain blade - Mundane magical item -yes
• Elena and the Nosferatu -yes
• The Great archipelago- yes
• The Machine Empire of Purity -yes
• On the Nature of Corporeal Undead (Magic) yes
• Revenant - no
• Gnomish Sylvan Also, Polsu Kles -yes

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