Updating the Definition: Improbably Female Cast

OK, that's just plain misuse and pretty non-notable.

Working on more wicks. Most Triumphant has things like Lucky Star listed, though. Is that just encouraging more misuse?

At least in the anime, it definitely takes place in a coed school.

Uh hmmm, it was mentioned as an all-girls school by a poster earlier in this thread. That's what I went on, not knowing the series at all. Er.

Anyway, wicks are done except for a locked page and phantoms. Can non-mods fix phantoms or should I holler for both?

I tried to root out misuse while I was at it, but since I'm not familiar with any of the source material, double-checking the remaining wicks is a good idea.

edited 28th Nov '11 7:16:24 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Doctor Who? really?

Alright, old wicks are all gone except for a ptitle phantom bug I can't figure out.

All this needs is for somebody familiar with the animes and mangas to check the Improbably Female Cast examples and wicks for misuse, and then I think this is done.

Ptitles only show the main entry on the related page, no matter which namespace it's on(in this case, an old sandbox; I've gone ahead and cutlisted it). In cases like this, you can abuse the old TroperWorks/ namespace to get a listing of what pages have that name(just replace the namespace with TroperWorks in the URL and it'll give you the list).

I'm still a little confused on what would count. For example, would most Magical Girl series count? Not all of them, of course, but if one of the key parts of the setting is that only girls can become superheroes, would that fall into this trope? Or is it only when no explanation is given other than to have as many girls as possible?

No. This trope is about having a lot of girls in a setting where that would not work in Real Life.

As far as I know, most Magical Girl series never give a reason for males not having powers - they simply don't get them(and so they would count, genre convention or not). But if we're going to make this a trope you can't justify, there's definitely more examples to prune(I've gone ahead and updated the tag, since we're clearly not done yet).

Maybe we need to split off Cast Full Of Pretty Girls as the true distaff counterpart to Cast Full of Pretty Boys. It seems like a lot of people were using this trope for that because they had snowclone names.

Cast Full Of Pretty Girls already sort-of exists under the name Bishoujo Series.

You appear to be misunderstanding what this trope is. It has nothing to do with girls having powers and guys not having them. It is simply a lot of girls in an improbable setting. How their power compares to that of the guys is irrelevant.

edited 30th Nov '11 2:03:16 PM by Insignificant

I believe 20LR10's point was that Magical Girl series are dominated by females because they're the ones with powers, but that most then don't justify why they're the only ones with powers; so indirectly, the fact that said series don't justify why it's only girls getting powers means it's not justifying why its cast is predominately female either. In short: no one's saying it's the fact that they have powers that's important, they're saying that because the series in question don't justify why only one gender, specifically the female gender, can get powers, it doesn't justify either why its cast is full of pink bishoujo.

On the 'Cast Full Of Pretty Girls' idea: forgive me if I'm wrong (which I might be, since either I'm incapable or redirects aren't being listed on trope pages any more EDIT: okay, apparently I'm not wrong, good), but didn't this trope and the Cast Full of Pretty Boys trope once have that exact relationship, when they were called Pink Bishōjo Ghetto and Blue Bishounen Ghetto respectively? (As I say, I'm assuming that the latter became CFOPB for similar reasons to this one getting its name changed, but if I'm wrong... EDIT: which I'm not, it would seem.) If that's the case, seems like we missed a trick collectively when renaming this one.

edited 30th Nov '11 2:27:22 PM by Osric

Part of the reason Blue Bishōnen Ghetto was renamed was that it was causing Trope Decay because people were treating them like counterparts when they weren't(somebody just couldn't stop themselves from making one of the worst snowclones ever). The "improbably bishoujo" requirement was there from day one.

You say the two aren't counterparts, but I'm looking at both of them and I can't really see what the difference is beyond a gender-swap. The only difference I can think of is that in the case of Cast Full of Pretty Boys, there's no explicit requirement for it to be unlikely or unjustified, but to be honest, the trope still implies it to me: it does say that the cast is how it is for the purposes of female fanservice, which to me is a gender-swapped version of this trope by any other name. What is that I'm missing here?

A young, all-male cast crops up in a lot of places - Cast Full of Pretty Boys only differentiates itself from that based on bodytype. The first requirement of this trope is that there be a heavily female cast without justification(hence the trope name) - the need for them to be young and pretty is secondary.

Hrm. I think I see what you're saying. Alright then. In that case, should we have a trope to be a gender-inverse counterpart of this one, so that the confusion is eradicated once and for all? (Oh, and now that I've done a bit more browsing, concerning Cast Full of Pretty Boys' true counterpart: wouldn't that be Bishoujo Series?)

Pretty much. Now if you'll excuse me, that page is looking mighty ripe for a chainsawin.

Is this done? Has anyone checked the wicks and examples for misuse?

There was/possibly still is a good amount of misuse. People were putting examples from works that just happened to have an all female cast with no regard to if the characters were taking roles that logically and statistically are taken by primarily men.

Other people were misinterpreting the trope to be a distaff counterpart to Cast Full of Pretty Boys, formerly named Blue Bishōnen Ghetto.

Please, can somebody familiar with the works check the examples and wicks so this thread can finally be done?

edited 7th Dec '11 1:31:56 PM by ArcadesSabboth