Black And White Morality

I know the trope about Black-and-White Morality because I have been on this site for too long however why do people still think that way and why does television endorse it.What are your thoughts on Black and White morality.I know a lot of people who have very negative things to say about.

In my opinion my mother says that I tend to see Black and White because of my Aspergers Syndrome.

"Black-and-White Morality"

...does not exist.

Moving on...

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I tend to vary in my Shades of Conflict. I do see Black-and-White Morality most often, but with some exceptions ie Black-and-Gray Morality and Evil Versus Evil. I do sometimes consider Gray-and-Gray Morality. Good Versus Good and Gray And White Morality, I'm not fans of those.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:17:15 PM by secretist

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971

Black and white morality only exists in people who are convinced theyre the White side of the equation,

Which is everyone

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Unless you want to be "edgy".

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I like Ayn Rand, Objectivism, Atlas Shrugged, and The Fountainhead and Sword Of Truth which influences me.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:22:23 PM by secretist

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971

Or you're an actual adult with a sense of fucking perspective.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:22:29 PM by Tongpu

Black-and-White Morality leads for easy labeling of good guys and bad guys, heroes and villains. Not just in terms of stories, but it's easier to say 'I am entirely right, and those opposed to me are completely wrong. Also evil.'

It is not really a productive way to think, but it's easier and more appealing to people.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:24:09 PM by Arha

Understanding how the world really is, Tongpu, doesn't necessarily imply that one should be what society generally qualifies as "evil."

I know what people think of Atlas Shrugged, but is The Fountainhead any good, from a literary perspective?

Also, how does that influence your view of morality, exactly? Not many Objectivists on the board to ask, and it's one of my "oo, a different take on morality to study" interests.

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I grew up in a religious conservative family who believes strongly in Black-and-White Morality. It makes logic at some times, though I go for gray sometimes in the Shades of Conflict. Do you have any other system as your go to shades?

Also, Anthem has a page. Anthem Graphic Novel form

I also like Friedrich Nietzsche which screws up my Shades of Conflict.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:33:24 PM by secretist

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971

No, but it does generally mean not considering yourself to be objectively good and those who oppose you to be objectively evil.

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I've seen the TV Tropes page for that. It didn't seem quite as interesting as The Fountainhead.

Naturally. That would be close-minded and stupid.

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1. It's a natural tendency. It's easier than a many-layered morality model and it feels good, because we like to see ourselves as "good".

2. It's taught by certain religions, like Christianity and Islam. And Zoroastrism.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:45:51 PM by LordGro

Let's just say and leave it at that.

You forgot Manichaeism which is most famous for it. Google manichean paranoia

edited 10th Oct '11 2:50:37 PM by secretist

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971

You're right. However, Manichaeism is extinct while the others aren't.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:57:23 PM by LordGro

Let's just say and leave it at that.

Black and White morality works for certain stories where examination into complicated motives, backstories etc. are not the goal.

Most people who watches the Transformer movies are just there to see robots beat up on each other. Dwelling too much on morality takes away from the attraction of the work.

edited 10th Oct '11 2:58:01 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Gnosticism, Gnosticism most of it's sects would count as well.

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971

No shit. Understanding how the world really is doesn't imply anything about what a person "should" do. Facts about the world can only imply other facts. "Should" isn't a fact; it's a prescription.

My point had nothing to do with prescriptions. It was a descriptive claim(i.e. one regarding facts)— one doesn't need to want to be "edgy" to consider themselves something other than morally "White". In fact, I suspect that if you were to get people to calm down and actually think about the big picture, most would probably admit that they're neither perfect nor a Complete Monster; i.e. that they are some shade of "Grey". Probably light grey.

edited 10th Oct '11 5:21:51 PM by Tongpu

Gray exists from multiple iterations of black and white. There is no black and white in the aggregate, but that doesn't mean there's no black and right in the instance.

There are things that are absolutely right, and things that are absolutely evil. But black and white thinking is the refuge of a rigid fanatic.

I'm a big believer in the idea that bad people can be put to good use—selfish people in particular can be easily manipulated when the action that best benefits them also benefits those around them.

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A system known as "Economics"

I agree with that, but that wasn't where I was talking about. If you believe in Black-and-White Morality and you don't think you're white you think you're black. And most people who say "look how evil I am" are trying to be edgy.

If any question why we died/ Tell them, because our fathers lied -Rudyard Kipling

There is a massive space between Good and Evil but that space's existance doees nto deny good or bad choices: just makes them clouded. Morality lies in a fog; the path one takes is of difficulty in choosing and the goodest option tends to not be the easiest. There is shades of grey that may be darker or lighter than the other one, great figures of virtue may process a vice, sinners may have good causes and sometimes things become bizare. What is the case is that we are in a Morality Kitchen Sink.

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