Sailor Moon

The problem with that idea is that it's Pluto's job to prevent it. The whole Chibi-Usa thing was probably because there was a predestination paradox in play.

She wasn't able to stop the Black Moon clan from time traveling to attack the 20th century, although it's uncertain whether or not they forced their way through the Time Gates or if they used a different method of time travel (I think it's implied they used a different method, but I'm not exactly sure).

Unless that's one of those Omniscient Morality License issues where she "let" them invade because it would cause a paradox if she stopped them? I've heard that it's just fanon that Pluto knows what is and not supposed to happen, though, and in the beginning of Stars she implies that the future with Crystal Tokyo could still change (when Chibi Moon was fading because Mamoru got captured by Nehelenia).

So if this hypothetical villain could bypass or defeat Sailor Pluto, then it could be possible to stop Usagi from meeting Luna, thus making it so Sailor Moon never got her powers.

edited 3rd Aug '17 2:52:25 PM by Rainbow

Sort of. Predestination Paradoxes require some event to happen in the future because a time traveller from that future has already travelled back into the past and altered events in the past. If Crystal Tokyo Pluto's own past includes Chibi-Usa and the Black Moon Clan travelling back into the past, she's more or less obliged to let it happen since in her own timeline they already have.

Edit: You'd be amazed at the number of would be fanfic authors who try and approach Sailor Moon fic dealing with Crystal Tokyo without even being aware of the concept.

edited 3rd Aug '17 4:06:47 PM by KnightofLsama

Too bad I stopped reading Jet Wolf two years ago for getting too hyperbolic too often! Has her style changed any since then?

Why do you say too bad? You want to hear them out on the criticism of the manga or...

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Hard to tell. Her experience has basically been the same as with Crystal. Though somewhat worse...The difference being she hasn't abandoned it yet (though I think she's close to cracking). She makes some good points, if indeed a bit unnecessarily melodramatic about them.

To save you the trouble, here are some of the key points so far.

• Storylines/motives constantly making no sense. Massive exposition dumps and contradictions (often within pages of each other). And the panelling being vague and confusing to follow at times.

• Miracle Romance. Along with Naoko's obsession with Mamoru.

• The treatment of the Inners (particually her favorite) in general, especially in the second half of the Infinity Arc.

• Michiru's 'non-entity' status. There's a running gag involving the Babadook.

"Michiru's 'non-entity' status"? What's that supposed to mean?

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The fact she has no actual character, and that her Talisman has more of an importance/presence in the story then she does. And then there's the whole handling of her relationship and standing with Haruka, particularly how the later carries on behind her back.

Heh, that's definitely true in Crystal. It's as bad as what was done with poor Rei.

Well in Rei's case, she did have significantly more of an attitude in the Manga, that was largely watered down for Crystal.

But I still prefer her old hotheaded self. Didn't care much for the whole straw-misandrist routine. And I enjoyed her relationship with Usagi there more.

I second that. Always was my favorite.

If anyone wants to see a well made version of Michiru watch Kira Kira Precure A La Mode. No, really. I wont spoil but I can tell you more if you guys are interested.

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I'm all for more manga reviews that don't just trust a single translator!

Kind of sad in a way, that a spiritual successor of Sailor Moon serves as a better modernized update then its own reboot does.

I mean, Crystal wasn't exactly a reboot. It was an update to an iteration that ended up being even more dated than people realized. Precure, while it has its own traditions to adhere to, doesn't have any specific plots it must follow, gets new characters every year, and is allowed to be a little experimental.

Michiru is a case where no one had any idea what to do with her. Even in the first anime she just stood behind Haruka 90% of the time. She did have a few moments, but the priority was pretty clear.

I'm not sure Toei really had much of an idea of what exactly they wanted Crystal to be. Of course, cheap nostalgia cash-in would be my own 'cynical' opinion.

It started off as a seemingly direct adaptation. Then it started adding/removing/changing stuff. Often for no reason, and often for the worst (I'm looking at you Shitennou X Inners). Then they do a drastic overhaul. Changed the art style from a pseudo-Naoko to a distinctly more psuedo-Ikuko look, undoubtedly to appeal more to the 90's anime crowd. Added more humor. And only adapted one arc over a weekly, instead of bi-weekly schedule.

But from what I hear, it hasn't done that well in viewing/sales figures. Which probably explains why they're now doing films instead. They're kind of contractually obligated to finish it, regardless of quality. Their primary focus now seems to be on merchandise aimed at those who grew up during the originals run.

I concur with you on a number of things there.

The new designs and welcome addition of actual humor were definitely more appealing for me. But those were still pretty superficial improvements. The core problems very much remain. And I suspect they won't be going away for the remainder of this...

I wouldn't call Death Busters great, but at least it was competently made compared to the mess we got beforehand. Episodes were made to be proper episodes instead of slavishly sticking to the manga. Less time was wasted repeating the same things everyone already knows. Weekly episodes made it so that we didn't stop caring when a mediocre story was told over half a year. If the Dream Arc continued that path, I'm fairly sure it would be watchable at least.

If Toei wants to really ignite interest in the franchise again (and I'm sure they will in a decade or so), then they'll need to do something new instead of following the manga template for the dozenth time.

Considering that I found Death Busters only slightly less bad then what preceded it. You'll forgive me for not sharing your optimism. Especially if it continues to rub the patheticness of the Inners in my face constantly. Nor make the effort to fix all the other things that bugged me.

I have always been willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but Crystal has frankly exhausted its lot with me. So perhaps I will indeed wait patiently for the next adaptation. Until then I've got four solidly made musicals to substitute for it instead.

Glad that you're at least finding some enjoyment in the new Myus. I love them myself. ^_^

The first cast were great, but I'm adjusting to the replacements well enough.

edited 14th Aug '17 9:13:46 AM by Kingcod

This question is probably more appropiate to the fanfic thread, but since the last times I asked questions in said thread were met with largely resounding silence implying that nobody is following it anymore, I'm going to ask it here.

Consider post-manga Eternal Sailor Moon, who arguably is not that far from being classified as "Physical God-level" in terms of power. In a Mega Crossover between Sailor Moon and various other Magical Girl Warrior settings (and, optionally, other non-Magical Girl settings), would it be plausible for Eternal Sailor Moon to serve as a Superman Substitute for the Magical Girl Warrior community, if not the entire Earth?

edited 14th Aug '17 11:04:17 AM by MarqFJA

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Hibiki is up there in X-Drive form.

Watch Symphogear

Does she exhibit anything that matches manga!Sailor Moon at her peak? The latter destroyed the planet Nemesis to defeat Death Phantom, had enough power to light up the entire galaxy (and possibly the whole universe) when battling Nehellenia, exhibited FTL-level Super-Speed when travelling through space during the Galaxia arc (they weren't teleporting), and if she's indeed going to become Sailor Cosmos in the future, then she's destined to gain such enormous power that she could reach or affect entire galaxies/universes single-handedly as a matter of course.

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So, does anyone know which episode/season this moment is from? Just curious.

The storm has now resided, the wolf now rests.

That would be from the S season, episode 121 in total. It's from the one about Tellu, the Witches 5 member who got people to buy flowers that would steal their heart crystals. The main reason I could tell is because I noticed the Tellun bud in the flower pot sitting on the ground near Hotaru and Chibi-Usa/Rini.

Edit: Thinking about that episode made me wonder, if Hotaru hadn't given the flower to Chibi-Usa in time, it would have bloomed and then tried to take her heart crystal. This made me wonder, what would happen if Hotaru's heart crystal was extracted while she was possessed by Mistress 9, whether by a rogue daimon or by some other method. like that flower? I thought of three different possibilities:

• The first is that her heart crystal would just come out like with the other victims, she would fall unconscious and probably die eventually if it wasn't put back inside her. This would kill Sailor Saturn, but would also deprive the Death Busters of their Silent Messiah, and Mistress 9 might have to possess someone else, if she'd even survive her host dying.
• The second is that Hotaru dies like in the above scenario, but this causes Mistress 9 to take over her body completely, because it would kill off the "Hotaru" part of her. Not sure what would happen to the Sailor Saturn Star Seed, though. This would probably be the most beneficial scenario to the Death Busters.
• The third is that being possessed by Mistress 9 might protect her heart crystal from being taken, acting as a shield against the Death Busters' own techniques, and nothing would happen.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:24:45 AM by Rainbow