Big Scientist
Oh, okay. Sorry, I didn't quite realize what that meant. That explanation makes sense.
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So, wait, the fact that the specific knifegun in the image is composed of the knife and the gun also present in the image makes it not an example?
This is a dialogue trope. It's not about the knifegun.
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No, it makes the image misleading which is something that we want to avoid in images. It makes it look like the trope it about combining two physical objects when it's actually a dialogue trope.
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This, basically.
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... on second thought, that Simpsons quote is redundant with the Bee-Bee Gun one. Maybe we could go with the one from My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic episode 22 about sending Fluttershy to a dungeon in the place she would be banished to, if someone could get the exact wording...
"The Daily Show has to be right 100% of the time; FOX News only has to be right once." - Jon Stewart
She might banish you from Equestria. Or throw you in a dungeon. Or banish you and then throw you in a dungeon in the place that she banishes you to.
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Thanks.
Resident pretentious dickwad
There are plenty of good quotes to pick from in the examples.
Also, while both Penny Arcade and webcomics in general are already overrepresented in images, the last panel from this strip
could work here.
edited 19th Sep '11 12:08:48 PM by ArtisticPlatypus
This implies, quite correctly, that my mind is dark and damp and full of tiny translucent fish.
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Well, it can still be changed again later on... quotes can be changed more flexibly than images, after all... I'm just using the MLP one to have a good example that is obvious while not being redundant with another page quote.
Browncoat Reaver
If you ask me, the trope was vaguely defined from the start. We should take this to TRS, and then decide on the image. Keep the Knifegun for now.
You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything. — Talking Heads, 1977
The trope is very clearly defined. It's not that complicated. List three things. The third thing you list is a third object that combines qualities of the first two objects.
What the trope is not is taking two objects and duct taping them together which is what the image shows.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Browncoat Reaver
"List three things."
Knife, Gun,
"third object that combines qualities of the first two objects"
Knifegun
Naked Snake here is showing us just that. Tropes Are Flexible anyways.
edited 28th Sep '11 6:42:43 PM by hotrods4ben
You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything. — Talking Heads, 1977
The knifegun is not a third object though. It's just the same two objects shoved together. i.e. not the trope. You need a third object.
edited 28th Sep '11 6:45:08 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
can we just pull the image?
agreed to pull.
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The issue here is that the current image is misleading in what the trope is. This is not about combining two object to make a third. It's about three objects where the third object is redundant because it's consists of the same elements of the first two objects. Which still exist.
In the current image, you have a knife and a gun, then you have a knifegun, and the original knife and gun aren't there anymore. It's knife and gun and a knifegun, not knife and gun become a knifegun.
I also agree to pull. The image isn't the trope because there aren't three objects. There are two objects, and then there are the same two objects combined. All three have to exist at the same time.
edited 15th Oct '11 1:53:46 PM by JapaneseTeeth
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Does anyone else think that this image here would be a much better fit for Item Crafting?
Image pulled.
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I think we should switch to the "touching myself with the rats" one for now, until we can come up with something better.
EDITED IN: Here it is cropped to the last panel.
edited 21st Oct '11 4:31:18 PM by HiddenFacedMatt
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I like the image. The caption doesn't make any sense and doesn't add anything.
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Image is good. Ditch the caption.
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Agreed with both, or maybe "How's he doing that with both hands on the box?"
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Agreed.
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Are we going to go with this image or not?
Adam
I like the image. Put it in.
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The image as it is, isn't a character making a list. It's a character combining two objects into a third. In this trope, the three objects on the list all exist dependent of each other.
You have to have at least three separate things or it doesn't qualify. The trope is not about combining two objects to make a third, it's about the inherent redundancy in the fact that the third thing on the list consists of other objects that are already on the list. If the comic had the knifegun existing alongside the knife and the gun, it would be fine.
edited 18th Sep '11 3:40:54 PM by JapaneseTeeth
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