What's an Argo? (New crowner Sept 11): Banned From Argo

Can you Guess The Trope on this one? I thought it was something like Banned in China, but turns out it's not.

Since the trope name doesn't specify who or what is being banned, the only clue it gives is the name "argo". What's an Argo, then? According to That Other Wiki, it's the ship from Jason and the Argonauts, various ships named after that one, a defunct car manufacturer, the son of Hercules in Marvel Comics, a crater on Mars, and a 2006 film about people living in the desert. Google gives similarly diverse and unhelpful results.

Turns out that none of that is at all helpful in understanding what the trope is about. It's supposed to be a fictional town from a 34-year-old filk song. Yeah...

It's also not a healthy trope, with only 76 wicks, and has 292 inbounds. The inbounds are shared between this name and its redirect, which gets over a hundred times as many google hits as the argo name.

I'd say it's time for a rename. If anything, the redirect (And Never Come Back) is already much better.

I must be really good at Guess The Trope, because what it is was one of my first guesses - it helps that the "Banned From" is very indicative context, and that Argo is a real place and is used in the title as a real place (if it were about the ship, for example, it would be "Banned From The Argo"), and thus it doesn't particularly muddle up the meaning.

I suppose it would help if we replace "Argo" with something that doesn't have a ton of other meanings that could also be used, however.

Ugh. Awful name. The trope itself is also oddly specific, and I don't like the redirect for being too generic.

I guessed the trope. What do I win?

I got it on the second guess, but that was because I misread the title and my first guess was Banned From Argos. I thought, those poor Chavs, never to get chunky fake gold jewellery or Burberry check baseball caps again. Then I realised in the context of T Vtropes that would be silly. If this was the Daily Mail, that interpretation would make sense, but not on tvtropes.

edited 6th Sep '11 12:00:53 PM by CrypticMirror

Also guessed correctly. However, it does definitely need to be rewritten to make it less obvious this was written by someone with Star Trek in mind.

None of my guesses were even close, and my first instinct is to say: terrible name.

On the other hand: Banned from Argo found in: 76 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 292 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

Those don't seem like terribly unhealthy numbers, but they're not spectacular. How common is this trope, and how long has it been around? (If the answers are: fairly and a long time, respectively, then I probably support a rename.)

The YKTTW dates from August 2009, and it's has a reasonably extensive example list so it doesn't seem too uncommon. That would seem to explain where the numbers have come from, even though this is a terrible name.

How about Banned From The Town? Or does that seem overly specific?

Banned Forever would work. As much as I like the song, it's not a good trope namer, because it's only well-known to a fairly niche audience —Science-fiction con-goers and fans of filking.

Title sucks balls, I thought it was the Argonaut's ship. Rename.

Had no idea what the name meant, support rename.

Banned Forever is good.

I guessed the trope. Do I win something? Oppose rename.

Could the name Banned Forever cause it to be mistaken for Banned in China?

Banned Forever seems like a supertrope about being banned.

I don't get to compete because I think I ran a rename TRS once for this trope.

Banned Forever would be a bad name. Too general sounding and likely would be confused with forum perma-bans.

Banned From X? Banned In Town X?

Banned From Town? Banned From State?

The "Argo" in the title is totally unknown to me, and I am a Star Trek fan. However, I would argue that this does have advantages similar to other work-named tropes that have context in the titles - one that was pointed out to me recently was I Let Gwen Stacy Die, where the important part is the "I Let _ Die", and "Gwen Stacy" could be replaced with anything. Similarly, it's the "Banned From" that's important to the trope, and that does come across here.

The one issue, though, is that Argo can mean a lot of things, some of which could theoretically make the name more confusing. I would not object to a rename, but I don't think it's that important.

If you people insist on changing it then I suggest ICantGoBackToX, not with the X but with X being some city or state from a Trope Namer. I've Heard It A Million Times in that format, so it shouldn't be hard to find a notable instance.

Edit: I never understood the whole dialogue thing but fair enough.

edited 6th Sep '11 9:56:14 PM by BooleanEarth

No. Dialogued-named trope, and fairly non-indicative - it sounds to me like it's about self-imposed exile, not about being banned from "X".

Wait? The trope namer is an obscure fan song about Star Trek? (A massive Star Trek fan and really I have never heard of it.)

Wtf

Eternally Banned From Entering? It needs a better name.

edited 6th Sep '11 11:37:59 PM by peccantis

Never Allowed Back

@Boolean Earth: Fast Eddie has objected to dialogue-based titles on the grounds that they cause people to simply list any use of that line of dialogue, regardless of whether it's actually a trope or not. This is not true in all cases, which is (partially)why plenty of dialogue-based titles still survive, but creating new ones is strongly discouraged.

If it was Banned From Argo Port , it would be more understandable.