Needs Help: Hollywood Thin

I disagree with the cut request. There is a trope here. It might need some redrafting, but it is a valid trope.

Good idea to get a clean restart with a YKTTW and a new name, IMO.

Ok. So Eddie bought Hollywood Thin back from the grave and you might be wondering what's going on.

First things first: TRS threads can be overridden. These occasions are not common. Eddie chose to do so here, because there is a trope here.

The trope is: body types that are unusual in real life are notably common in fiction and are presented as a norm. The trope is: body types that are unusual in real life are overrepresented and presented as a norm in fiction. There are a wealthy of examples. Specifically skinny women and hunky men. This is a baseline to casting and graphical character design.

I didn't think this one through. I apologizes for that.

Just reading the first line of the above paragraph I immediately view it through the lens of real-life body politics. And that's a mistake. When a trope is connected to a hot-button topic we should exercise restraint and maturity in the way we describe it. Given the highly charged nature of this trope, the text is actually quite good. Not perfect, but it clearly describes an objective casting/design phenomenon in a neutral tone; it's mostly free of soapboxing.

The same is not true of the examples. I'd say some reworking is needed there.

Bodytype or bodytypes? because the latter is broader than the name implies

edited 5th Nov '11 9:33:39 PM by captainpat

Are you pondering the inclusion of hunky men?

Yes

I think hunky men are a different trope in part because there's a much wider number of male body types that are considered hunky. Women's body types are far more uniform.

Without that section, the title and the text present a better match and the article has a tighter focus. I'd support removing it.

@28: I agree that it's a valid trope, but the name is confusing. It contradicts the pattern of all the other "Hollywood X" tropes. It should really be called Hollywood Healthy, Hollywood Waistline, or something like that. Hollywood Thin sounds like it should be about a character being presented as emaciated when they're actually not.

edited 5th Nov '11 10:40:02 PM by Embryon

Ideal Hollywood Figure?

Can anyone provide what is a correct example of this trope is supposed to be because the definition just makes it sound like "hey, there's a lot skinny women in this work".

edited 6th Nov '11 2:27:14 PM by captainpat

bump

bump

I think the best idea would be to rework this into a character design trope, like Impossible Thinness or Exaggerated Thinness or something. Whatever the case, we need to segregate Real Life from this trope.

That sounds like Noodle People. I think.

Yeah... well we need some way to make this non-Real Life oriented.

Suggestion Generator, activate!

*machine warms up, makes noises, then spits out a card with a suggestion on it*

...Make it in-universe only?

edited 15th Nov '11 1:23:53 PM by Insignificant

Bump

So, I don't really know what needs to be with this page. If there's an actually trope, then it's poorly written since there was just a consensus to cut this.

I would just say rename it to Hollywood Healthy Figure or Ideal Hollywood Figure.

Or make it a redirect to Hollywood Pudgy since it's one concept: the average Hollywood woman is much thinner than the average actual woman. As a result, an average woman on-screen will be treated as overweight.