Not the opposite of Pink Bishoujo Ghetto?: Blue Bishonen Ghetto

The bottom of the description for Blue Bishōnen Ghetto says it's not the opposite of Pink Bishōjo Ghetto. If you're going to Blue Bishōnen Ghetto from Pink Bishōjo Ghetto, this becomes a bit confusing. (It took me a while to figure out why Twilight was on the examples list for the former.) The latter title makes a certain amount of sense, but I don't get how the Blue Bishōnen Ghetto is even a ghetto, so . . . does anyone else think this needs a rename?

Yeah, the snowcloney nature is somewhat deceptive.

The difference is that you can have a show with a predominantly male cast where they aren't all Bishounen, but its very, very unlikely to have a show with a predominantly female cast where they aren't all Bishoujo.

Pink Bishōjo Ghetto also requires the girls to take up roles traditionally held by males like The Hero and such Magical Girl series are a huge source of this.

So just all girl cast like K On or Yuru Yuri is not this, however Nanoha or Strike Witches yes.

Bishoujo would be the counterpart to Blue Bishōnen Ghetto (Pink Bishōjo Ghetto is a subtrope of Bishoujo)

edited 3rd Sep '11 9:18:31 PM by Raso

You shouldn't give a trope the opposite name of another trope unless it actually IS an opposite. It's begging for misuse otherwise.

I wouldn't have given either trope the name it currently has now, but if we take Pink Bishōjo Ghetto as the more accurate one, we should change Blue Bishounen Ghetto

I think PBG is actually the younger trope.

Pink Bishōjo Ghetto was created first to describe the cast of the anime and games of the Bishoujo, then Blue Bishounen Ghetto was created.

edited 4th Sep '11 1:24:13 AM by Servbot

Okay then, but since it's not an opposite, it needs a not opposite name.

Support renaming Blue Bishōnen Ghetto.

Support the rename. The description also needs tweaked so its not so specific to one genre of media.

Would World Of Bishounen work? And I'm not seeing the "genre-specific" description. I do think it needs a little bit of cleanup, but I don't see that particular problem.

And if it had absolutely no non-Anime examples, I'd agree with you. As it is?

Why not keep it simple? All Bishonen Cast.

It has 13 non-Anime examples, not including the ones under Music which are...meh-ish. Its got 47 anime examples, plus an additional seven examples from Japanese videogames. And neither of those lists are at all exhaustive.

*looks at the examples a bit further*

Oh, and one of the film examples is Papuwa, which should be under anime, Live-Action TV lists "Every Modern Kamen Rider show", which is a Japanese TV series, and would be good for an additional 10 or so examples if listed out, and one of the webcomics is Korean.

So yeah.

Now, if you want to assert that its not getting non-Anime wicks due to the name, that could be an issue, or perhaps, as is frequently the case, we need a different trope for those.

Also it cites Shonen Jump as an originator, but this is very common in Shoujo works (hell, far more common), so the description may need some looking at regardless.

Oh, and FTR: Anime is not a genre.

edited 29th Sep '11 8:18:23 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna

Let's just cut the description down a bit. It's about how in a series aimed at girls, the cast will be all male and all bishie. Everything else is just window dressing. And I know the impenetrable description/confusing title kept me from adding a few examples that would fit. I'm sure some others have had the same problem.

Part of it is also that there has been an increasing trend for the mostly male casts of series/manga ostensibly aimed at boys to have prettier than usual male characters.

But I'd agree, its primarily a shoujo trope, and the bit about Shonen Jump is fairly irrelevant.

First, yes, that is what I am asserting. Second, we don't need a separate trope for non-Anime examples. Since when is "predominantly male cast made of young, hot men with maybe a few token females" an Anime-only concept.

(Self-Thumped... a raging sinus infection is making me cranky... sorry about that).

I am aware. It is, in fact, an artificial category created by non-Japanese animation fans to describe Japanese animation. These same fans insist that anime is its own separate media, which is, to use a polite phrase, utter nonsense. Nonsense which is pointed out by the fact that the Japanese themselves do not differentiate between "Western Animation" and "Anime".

edited 30th Sep '11 7:37:34 AM by Worldmaker

Western cartoons aimed at boys arnt getting the "make everyone a Bishōnen to attract those Yaoi Fan Girl s who spend lots of money to the series but still keep our target demographic" treatment that is the heart of this trope... that was pretty much started with Gundam Wing.

There might be a few live action ones but not nearly in the same form.

edited 30th Sep '11 8:41:06 AM by Raso

No, but "Western" live action TV shows are. Try looking at non-Anime media sometime and you'll realize that a lot of the tropes you assert are so very specific to anime turn out to be a lot wider than you will ever admit, Raso.

I like how "Ghetto" basically refers to catering to a female audience.

...we should probably change that.

Despite the thumping, my point stands. This trope exists outside of Japanese Cartoons, and thus a) the description should be widened appropriately so as to not be so specific and b) the name desperately needs to be changed so as to not make someone who isn't so... enthusiastic... about Japanese Cartoons confused about its meaning.

Single prop crowner made.

I un-thumped #19, as the thump did not seem warranted. The point was addressed civilly, I think. Directing toward an individual made it seem personal, though, which could be avoided in future to avoid a misunderstanding.

edited 30th Sep '11 11:54:29 AM by FastEddie

@Worldmaker

The title obviously needs to be changed, if for no other reason than that its a bad snowclone, I never argued against that.

I'm just not sure if the two things its documenting are quite the same thing. Having attractive male characters in works aimed at women is clearly not Japan specific, and I never asserted it was. However the other side, the increasing use of gratuitously attractive male characters in works ostensibly aimed at boys is something you don't see nearly as much in the west.

As for there being no distinction between Anime and Western Animation, you realize that we create these categories for our convenience, right? We could lump them together under a general Animation tag, but that wouldn't actually help us in any way, and would just muddle things up. There are distinctions between the two, because of cultural differences and the fact that Anime covers a much larger spectrum of genre.

The non-anime examples examples will be removed from Blue Bishōnen Ghetto, as the name is anime-specific. What should the new western article be called?

edited 30th Sep '11 12:54:24 PM by FastEddie