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#1226: Sep 28th 2014 at 2:56:15 AM

but you have 95% of the first game's enemies in the game which is absurd.

Hum, maybe not 95% tongue Ardor, Inspired, Joy, Kinship, the wheels, those manta ray thingies, aren't there (unless they are on higher difficulties?) But when I say "less diverse", I'm not just talking about numbers but also about "types".

Now I've only watched one walkthrough, an incomplete one at that, so I may have kept a biaised impression here. But when you have 3 entire chapters that are basically a jump back to the first game, well… that doesn't leave such a good impression.

By the way, what do you all mean by "epilogue chapter"? You mean the one where you fight stuff during the credits? Cause it's there…

edited 28th Sep '14 3:01:01 AM by Lyendith

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#1227: Sep 28th 2014 at 2:59:13 AM

Do you unlock a bonus scene for fulfilling some condition during the credits?

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#1228: Sep 28th 2014 at 6:03:01 AM

[up][up] no, I mean like in the first game, where the fight against jubileus was in an epilogue chapter.

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#1229: Sep 28th 2014 at 7:59:19 AM

when I say "less diverse", I'm not just talking about numbers but also about "types".

You're gonna have to quantify this because I don't see how it's true.

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#1230: Sep 28th 2014 at 5:01:04 PM

The fight against Jubileus was just the final chapter by a different name, I'm not sure why they did that and it's probably better they ditched that for this game. The Wonderful 101 on the other hand, had a proper epilogue.

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#1231: Sep 28th 2014 at 8:24:54 PM

Ardor was there IIRC. Not sure about the wheels or Manta rays, but yeah no Joy. Alright maybe more like 85%

I know it's shorter but as someone who legitimately enjoyed the gimmick levels(agreed they could be shorter and having isla de sol right before Jeanne was silly) the horse one looks rather dull and uninspired, although the plane one looks okay if not quite as trippy as the Harrier one. I know people complain MY HEAD'S SPINNING but idk I thought it was fun, just too long(like the second inspired fight should've been dropped completely).

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#1232: Sep 28th 2014 at 8:32:42 PM

Speaking of, the plane one turns into a straight up Star Fox game whenever you have the Fox costume on. It's like Platinum is begging Nintendo to let them develop the next game.

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#1233: Sep 29th 2014 at 6:09:42 AM

[up][up]They learned from their mistakes with the gimmick levels with The Wonderful 101.

They are just using that experiences for the ones therei to make them work better in game compared to the first one

edited 29th Sep '14 6:10:03 AM by DemonGodOfChaos2

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#1234: Sep 29th 2014 at 8:56:53 AM

[up] I hope so. I never blayed Bayo1, but I adore the Wonderful 101 yet can barely remember having fun with any of the gimmick sections, except the Punch-Out robot fights.

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#1235: Sep 29th 2014 at 9:39:58 AM

I Love them myself, personally.

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#1236: Sep 29th 2014 at 10:40:56 AM

So, how many Sega and Nintendo references are spotted within the game?

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#1237: Sep 29th 2014 at 1:11:39 PM

"Platinum Stars" = Sega All-Stars Racing/Platinum Games.

"You better thank Alex the Kid for the charter."

Bayonetta's entire color scheme reflects a lot more blue than the first game, which had a dominantly red theme. Her guns have also changed over.

Rings, of course.

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#1238: Sep 29th 2014 at 1:13:17 PM

And still no Ulala reference anywhere.

Such a missed opportunity.

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#1239: Sep 29th 2014 at 1:56:36 PM

She also stands top of a bi plane like Sonic does with the Tornado.

The mech suit seems to be a reference to the Magitek armor from Final Fantasy VI of all things, though.

The demons drop orbs instead of rings, like the demons of Devil May Cry, same pick up sound effect and everything.

edited 29th Sep '14 1:57:38 PM by DemonGodOfChaos2

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#1240: Sep 29th 2014 at 2:14:53 PM

The last one okay but the 1st and especially second one seem like overreaching.

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#1241: Sep 29th 2014 at 5:59:37 PM

Um, not really?

You do realize Kamiya is big sonic fan, so Bayonetta standing on a red bi plane to travel isn't that far fetched.

Also look at the magitek armor

Then look at the mech suit

The resemblance is quite uncanny, and both use magic to move, so.....

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#1242: Sep 29th 2014 at 9:42:23 PM

Wouldn't the red biplane also reference the one used to escape Mallet Island at the end of DMC1?

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#1243: Sep 29th 2014 at 11:27:31 PM

Yeah, that seems more like a nod to the DMC 1 Bi-Plane.

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#1244: Oct 1st 2014 at 10:46:34 AM

An interesting quote from Word of God that should finally put Console Exclusivity issue to rest:

I think I have discussed this many times before but here goes… First of all, we [Platinum Games] are developers and receive support from publishers by making games that they request or suggest. As for Bayonetta, we developed the game after signing a deal with SEGA. Later it was decided to also develop the sequel, so we started working on Bayonetta 2.

When development had progressed to a certain degree, in SEGA’s situation it turned into “This isn’t a good plan”, so development halted temporarily.

Without funding we didn’t have the possibility to continue development, but we wanted to get this partially developed Bayonetta 2 available to the public one way or another. So we offered it to various publishers, but as it is a big title, we couldn’t find a partner company. Finally, Bayonetta 2 was about to get terminated completely, when…

Nintendo came in and lent a hand and we were able to restart the development we so desired. Finally the game was released last week, so in five years, we were able to make Bayonetta 2 available to the public.

Knowing those circumstances, if someone is still angry for heading towards Nintendo, I wonder what’s the reason for that, wouldn’t you tell me in a way that is easy to understand?

As I have said earlier, if you want Bayonetta 2 on PS 4 or Xbox One, how about trying to ask Nintendo… If Nintendo doesn’t say yes, it’s not going to happen… While you’re at it, try asking for Mario and Zelda too…

edited 1st Oct '14 10:49:28 AM by Lionheart0

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#1245: Oct 1st 2014 at 12:35:59 PM

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#1246: Oct 1st 2014 at 2:59:58 PM

[up][up] Laser-Guided Karma. That's what the Xbots and Sony Ponies fail to understand.

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#1247: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:06:13 PM

[up] you know, being that rude towards people that probably just don't want a Wii U doesn't give you any brownie points, you know.

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#1248: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:37:08 PM

Bayonetta 2 has completely bombed in Japan.

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#1249: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:41:56 PM

Not surprising, considering I don't think the original did that well in its home country either. International sales might carry it better, though.

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#1250: Oct 1st 2014 at 5:52:07 PM

Yeah not surprising really. Although I do wonder if Platinum Games's games are simply more popular in the West than in Japan...


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