Danny Phantom

The only other Hartman show I've seen is FOP, and it doesn't have one probably because it's a comedy show that has the plot take a backseat to the jokes.

I'm not saying he should have left things with everything open, just that his parents didn't have to be a part of that.

He could have chosen to not have them forget. Him not thinking things through was always a part of his character, but that just seemed really lazy and served no real purpose besides keeping an angle of conflict that at that point was no longer necessary.

Yes, DP was good, not great-but it's important to remember why people clung to it so hard.

I think part of why people still remember Danny Phantom fondly is the timing of when it came out. The 00's were an animation dark age, with not a lot of great material coming out. It was kind of between periods and it took several years for it to both hit rock bottom and for things to get better. It was especially stand-out for the period-probably the best for the 12 year-old demographic when there really wasn't a lot going on. The classic Cartoon Cartoons were done. Samurai Jack was probably done. Disney's best shows of the 90's were done, Nickolodean's golden age was done and it had begun its Spongebob/FOP Rot that's still going to this day. There were few notable choices,

Avatar: Legend of Aang/The Last Airbender, Chowder (maybe?), anime and Danny Phantom.

When you consider that a lot of the worst offenders of the time were airing, it was a relief in comparison. There were few deep characters and the awesome moldbreaker animations of the 90's were done. There was no DCAU/Diniverse, essentially and Teen Titans would only begin airing two years into its run.

That it managed what it did in the time that it did is still amazing. Yes, it had a lot of what I find irritating about Hartman's works but the execution was largely good and the second season got some really good action in, though by Secret Weapons, its best days were behind it. Truly, the person who said that a certain writer's dismissal was the end was right. There was supposed to be a big mytharc for season 3, but many cartoons were seeing cancelations on season 3, like it or not. (This is originally why Kim Possible was canned the first time around.)

I still today love Danny Phantom, flaws and all. It was a rough time in animation and it carried the flame for superhero genre when there really wasn't a whole lot going on for it. Chances are, it'll be relegated to the annals of history as one of the few brightspots of the era.

To be perfectly honest, I wish it would be revisited with the style and quality that we're getting with the animation renaissance. But chances are, we may-if we do-only get a sort of okay pastiche far off sequel.

But if we get it? I hope we get new enemies, a new feel and slicker action. If there was a time to do it, now's a really good time, especially with the designs Mr. Hartman made.

I just hope for a good writing team. Maybe poach some folks from Star VS The Forces of evil...

Incidentally, who would like a DP crossover with a heroic world of myth?

edited 24th Sep '16 9:02:48 PM by Anthiens

If they do bring it back I want two things

1. Please for the love of god develop Sam and Tucker

2. Possibly bring back more of the unique antagonists. Fright Knight and Freakshow for example (Not Dark Danny)

You know the idea of having Danny in a world were mythics and cryptids are wandering around and either causing havoc or helping the populace is a pretty interesting idea now I think about it and it would extend the amount of potenial for new and interesting antagonists and allies. Imagine having other types of undead/supernatural folk as allies or enemies.

edited 24th Sep '16 9:38:17 PM by Ecrivan

They might want to avoid all the Doing In the Wizard they tried to pile on top of the ghost situation in general. We're out of the 2000's, and all in all we're in a time where it'd be more acceptable to be all "yeah, they're all dead people and/or mythological creatures" now instead of having a complicated "they're all ectoplasmic energy beings that coincidentally mimic dead people and mythological creatures, not actually dead, it's not too dark for kids tv honest" explanation.

For the same reason, Invader Zim probably would've been better accepted by the Network if it came out now than had it done so back when it did. Same with shows like Swat Kats, now that I think about it.

I don't believe they ever brought up that explanation in the show itself, though.

They don't sit down and explain it, but it does color in the way they wrote the Ghost Zone and its inhabitants in later seasons.

In what way?

Well Pandora was certainly a mythical being. I could of swore that Vlad had a Cerebrus or cerebru-like ghost under his command as well. You could probably argue that those old octopus ghosts were actually ghost mini-Krakens....

Hell Wulf was pretty much a werewolf ghost.....

edited 25th Sep '16 3:30:09 PM by Ecrivan

In the first season, there's a couple blunt "yeah, this ghost is a dead person" moments, like with Desiree and the dragon girl, and there's a pretty strong implication with Ember, or Kitty and Johnny 13. Oh, and the bullied one. As the show goes on, though, the new ghosts introduced make less and less sense as dead people. Especially since they start introducing the ghosts like "Nightmare, the Ghost of Dreams". I guess it comes off like the show started with the Ghost Zone being an afterlife or something and then it turned into the Ghost Zone being a weird parallel dimension that is connected to, but not all that related to Earth.

The only way I can reconcile it is by assuming that some ghosts are dead people, and others are just abstract concepts that just happened to take on an incorporeal form. Alternatively, the dead people ghosts aren't actually the people who died, but just happen to resemble them in exaggerated ways (though I don't personally like this explanation as much).

not all the shows you listed are good, and most of the good ones started either early in the decade or before the decade even started.

x2 Plus you called Sanjay and Craig a bad show. That's a point off for the validity in the comment.

But yeah, the 2000s weren't the Dark Age of cartoons as there are good shows coming out of that period. I see it more as an Experimental Age continuing off from the 90s in its animation as this is the period where production is more refined as well as the start of the use of Flash animation which gets better once the 2010s come along (not to mention it was the time where 3D animated show are becoming more apparent).

One thing to keep in mind is that there's usually a lot of garbage in any given medium at any given time. The garbage just usually isn't remembered.

It also depends on where you were living. Canada had a lot more homegrown cartoons at the time, but the only one I really remember was Jacob Two Two. That was a weird show.

for a second I thought that was just you mocking the name of the show Jimmy Two Shoes

the show actually gave an explanation of what ghosts were, in the episode doctors disorders maddie said they were an "odd manifestation of ectoplasmic energy and post-human consciousness."

so yeah, not dead people but creatures that have the memories? of dead people

then of course in the same episode maddie said tha humans can't have ghosts powers

The best way I can describe this show is: strong concept but bad excecution

I mean, Dany powers are good and is nature as good is quite unique as superhero which is fairly interesting, other villians like Plasmius or Dark king are terrifying in is on way.

But is continuity is.....yeah, side from changing stuff like ghost zone, never developing sam and tucker and most of villain being underused(or not at all like dan phantom), much of it can be talk to how series went back them with little care to continuity or bush relying to much on stereotypes that were dated even in is date(like the already mention jerk jock bully).

if they revived the series(which I doubt) I ask myself how it would be now that thing have change so much.

Old Man Jack looks pretty kickass.

I'd say strong concept: okay execution.

In spite of Sam and Tucker being kind of paper-thin as characters and the villains being underused, Vlad Plasmius, Jazz, Valerie Grey and even Danny to an extent are pretty good characters that make the show worth watching. And there are quite a bit of good, sometimes great episodes like my Brother's Keeper, Public Enemy, Ultimate Enemy, and Kindred Spirits.

However, while I do really like this show as I said before: Everything this show does, Spectacular Spider-Man does it better.

Nooooooooooo. Nah. Nuh-uh. Nyet.

I like both but I disagree.

Catchy theme songs, good fight scenes, likable high school cast with occasional Day in the Limelight character arcs. Neither need be better than the other.

But Danny Phantom did do one thing better: it concluded.

edited 25th May '17 8:32:36 PM by Soble

Valerie should get her own show that takes place concurrently with the original series.

RE: DP coming back

Can we for once let things that are over stay over? I'm so tired of all these reboots.

Last I checked there is no actual reboot. As far as we know, the series isn't actually coming back.

Butch Hartman is, however, still making art about it.

edited 26th May '17 7:09:38 PM by KnownUnknown