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I give my support, but could we put something to help people who may have Abusive Parents on the page? Like maybe at the bottom, a phone line they could call for help or something? Domestic Abuse has a number I'm pretty sure.
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Agreed. If anyone has the information, feel free to include it.
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For the suggestion of "include a phone number", I'd like to point out this concept some of you may have heard of called "The World Wide Web". The thing about the WWW is, see, it's world-wide! English is an official language in at least seven countries (exclusively in the UK, the US, Australia, and New Zealand, and one of two in Canada, Ireland and India). Plus there are dozens of others where it's extremely common, even if it's not an official language. Unless we want to turn the article into an International list of numbers to call in your region, I suggest we skip the notion.
If, on the other hand, someone can suggest a single website where people can go to find general information including, possibly, lists of local numbers to call, I could see including that. But it's really off-mission for this wiki, so I don't think it's a requirement, however nice a gesture it might be.
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Agreed regarding the difficulty of listing numbers and stuff. Plus it really is off-mission.
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support here! This trope interests me and I would like it to be more detailed.
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Also, some of the examples are in the wrong sections. Two examples from real life emotional abuse:
- Sinéad O'Connor was emotionally, sexually and physically abused by her parents. (fits under multiple)
- Fyodor Dostoevsky's father was an alcoholic who frequently beat his children. (fits under physical)
edited 7th Sep '11 11:48:39 PM by Acebrock
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It looks like we have support w/o anyone particularly opposed, so how do we move to the next step of action?
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One problem with a componentwise split is that sometimes one form of abuse really ties into the other; like in Lion King 2, how Zira's physical and emotional abuse combined toward her cubs was really more heinous than the sum of its parts... I'm not sure how to describe it.
edited 17th Sep '11 9:12:28 PM by HiddenFacedMatt
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It's very rare for someone to suffer from only one form of abuse in fiction. Splitting seems like a very confusing prospect.
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Indeed, preventing massive redundancy would be a nightmare. Financial Abuse deserves its own trope because it is somewhat unique among forms of abuse; it targets those who are old enough to be independent. I oppose the splitting off of any other forms of abuse.
We have redundancy right now in the page's current form. We have a multiple entry where a lot of examples really ought to go and examples that are repeated over and over again in the different sections. If anything, splitting the pages off would encourage people to list only what's relevant about a given series and might actually reduce redundancy.
We now have disagreement. I'm making a crowner.
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Clean up the examples.
Unless there are enough pure examples where there's only type of abuse in play, the division by type is pointless. And Physical and emotional generally go together, with sexual sometimes in the mix and sometimes not. Financial abuse is the only one that is likely to stand alone, and even it is often accompanied by emotional abuse.
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So Madrugada, how do you suggest we handle it as it is, because right now, it's divided by type. It's just all on one page. Should the types be removed completely?
edited 20th Sep '11 12:58:32 PM by Clevomon
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I think the divisions by type should be removed, and each example cleaned up to include which types are involved.
- Work A
- Character A: Her father is physically, emotionally and sexually abusive
- Character B: Her mother is emotionally abusive.
- In Work B, Character C is driven to a psychotic break by her father's sexual and emotional abuse.
- Work C: Character D's parents are financially abusive, and while it's never stated, there are strong implications of emotional abuse as well.
Hm, maybe this should be switched to a multiple proposition crowner, then.
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...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The other complaint that I can see about eliminating the current different distinctions is that it doesn't really do much about the page length problem and may even make it worse, given the new suggested format for examples. One way that can be solved is by combining that change with a hard split by medium. Is that kind of what you had in mind?
Bump again. Is the crowner clear enough, or do we need more votes?
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The Abusive Parents page is huge, and each individual type of abuse could easily have its own page. I'm noting that it's already the case with Financial Abuse. I think keeping Abusive Parents as a supertrope and dividing the types up on different pages would allow for more detailed exploration of the individual types and how they are used as well as an overall shortening of page length.