Reasons why we think Troper Tales should be removed

@Erock:I don't think this is the place for that discussion.

edited 7th Aug '11 9:56:24 PM by INUH

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Chiefly because you've said nothing that resembles a convincing argument, instead opting for hilariously baseless comparisons and wildly overblown strawmen, and refusing to back even those up with anything of substance.

You're like "There is some good to be had here," and the others are like "okay, where?" and you're just not following through. Meet us halfway, would you?

I wouldn't be posting at this forum if I didn't think it a necessary step.

I'd support this for main wiki pages too, but this is about deleting TT, which I would prefer.

edited 7th Aug '11 9:59:53 PM by Forzare

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That subject should be taken to another thread. I'd also support it, but we don't to derail this one.

I dunno about numbers (how would one gather those?) but we do have some anecdotal data from at least one poster earlier in this thread (who mentioned being terrified by Troper Tales).

Not to mention a particular, not-to-be-named Youtube series, the comment replies to which demonstrating plenty of people who are... disconcerted with the state of the content in our Troper Tales section.

I wouldn't be posting at this forum if I didn't think it a necessary step.

Last post I'm making in this topic.

@152: See, the thing is, I know any arguments I make will be shot down. Especially since I'm not good at arguing points anyway. Anyone else wanna try their luck, someone perhaps more persuasive and not tired, go right ahead. I'm bowing out here.

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Like I said, Troper Tales as it stands makes me embarrassed to admit that I'm a troper.

I wouldn't have stuck around if it was the first thing I saw.

edited 7th Aug '11 10:06:01 PM by Forzare

Nil, a new sci-fi/horror story that you should read and review! (Updated 4/something) ''The gate opens.

I'd like some real numbers though, like say what if someone saw one of those TF 2 TT and were like "Ohh, hey, Tropers are pretty cool people"

It's really kind of rude to complain about how people are unfair and won't listen to your arguments if you haven't made any arguments and don't intend to try.

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This is like the Nakama rename.

I could live if either outcome was met but it's just so beautiful to see such a big change being made with so little fuss or drama.

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I never said anyone's unfair. I am not persuasive nor am I good at arguing. I'm done. End of my contribution to the discussion, which was zero to begin with.

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You guys probably don't need any more reasons, but I'll list them anyway.

1) The redesign doesn't work.

2) The "badge of honor" tropes are still fatally flawed, and only seem to consist of people who have a low standard for things that are impressive/terrible/inconsequential. It's to TT what IANMTU was to the main wiki.

3) Youtube's public perception. The web-series-that-shall-not-be-named currently has a collective total of close to 400,000 views (more than three times this site's "official" series). When you search for "TV Tropes" on Youtube, the "crazy" series comprises the first five pages of results.

4) TT has led to massive amounts of users explaining (via TT entries) that they have self-diagnosed medical disorders which cause them to act the way they do. Is that something we want our user base to be viewed as?

5) There's still an influx of natter/creepiness/borderline-illegal confessions that permeate TT. Whether or not it's just a made-up story or true doesn't matter - it's harming our reputation.

6) The perception that you can't edit the examples of other users is still active (meaning walls of text and lots of rambling).

edited 7th Aug '11 10:23:23 PM by crazyrabbits

If it's possible to procure such numbers I could not begin to know how. It's almost certainly a safe assumption that the bad anecdotes far outweigh the good, however, even within this very site.

And everything crazyrabbit said. The whole "My crowning moment of awesome is an achievement of utter mediocrity on paper" entries are nearly as annoying to read as the creepy shit.

edited 7th Aug '11 10:15:18 PM by Loyal2NES

I wouldn't be posting at this forum if I didn't think it a necessary step.

Thank you very much, crazyrabbits.

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Doesn't it also have like ten times as many episodes?

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

If you can't even prove this point outside of anecdotal evidence, then don't put it as a major point to removing Troper Tales.

edited 7th Aug '11 10:16:50 PM by Smilingcloud

^ Yes. Most of the episodes get anywhere from 2,000 - 5,000 hits a piece (with the older ones garnering upwards of 10,000 hits). There's a lot of discussion present in those videos that I believe we should mindful of.

edited 7th Aug '11 10:18:19 PM by crazyrabbits

Okay, I'm feeling masochistic enough to bite. Here's my plan: I hit a few randomly selected Troper Tales, read them through, and count up the number of productive entries relative to the common failure modes (braggadocio, triviality, creepiness, et cetera). Then I report the numbers back to you.

You think ten pages of Troper Tales would give a large enough sample size?

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I am also of the opinion that deleting Troper Tales would go a long way towards finally finishing off This Troper (as in the phrase/meme, that is). As I've said before, I think in large part it still exists because new posters find it and assume it's an accepted part of wiki culture rather then something we're trying to kill Deader than Dead. And it's still enough of a problem on Troper Tales that a whole forum thread was started over it.

Killing This Troper alone isn't a reason to cut Troper Tales, but I think it would certainly be a side benefit.

Comparing people to religious fanatics or nuclear terrorists kind of implies unfairness. So does insisting they won't listen to you no matter what you say.

I'll add to crazyrabbit's list that I've seen a decent amount of Troper Tales that contained downright offensive stuff ("This Troper wonders if there are any [men/women/gays/other group] who don't [insert unpleasant trope here]", etc.)

^^^ Great idea. I'm not being sarcastic, that could really help prove our point.

How about you try not to do pages This Troper already covered?

edited 7th Aug '11 10:23:51 PM by gentlemanorcus

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@Nornagest: Good luck!

Are you staying in the new TT or heading over to the archives or both for this endeavor?

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@Norn Good idea. Good luck!

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