Marvel Cinematic Universe

And I could be off but their stated game plan for Phase 3 and beyond is one sequel and one new property for years. Maybe I'm just being an optimist, but they'd have to be pretty damn tone deaf to do 3-4 new properties and have every single one of them be more straight white dudes.

Feige confirms Thanos is "Not a part" of Avengers 2. I'm gonna assume this means it'll just be another cameo.

He also says there's "potential" for the Netflix heroes to appear in the movies, but that it isn't being actively discussed right now.

edited 29th Jul '14 6:58:26 PM by comicwriter

Would be best to see how those shows even do before saying they'll show up in a future movie.

Another problem with Civil War is Winter Soldier. We just had the government agency dedicated to controlling superhuman activity revealed to have been riddled by basically-Nazis. And by "revealed" I mean "their entire database dumped to the public". I *really* have a hard time believing that any kind of superhuman registration plan could get traction for *years* into the future after this.

( As for World War Hulk, it was a terrible story with no redeeming value from the getgo. They aren't going to turn the Hulk into a villain again, and they aren't going to turn the Avengers into villains, either. )

I get the feeling a lot of people are confusing World War Hulk (the only thing good to come from that was The Incredible Hercules) with Planet Hulk (a really, really good story). That said, I don't think either would work in the MCU in its present state, for reasons already stated.

Yeah, too many people like Banner to get behind shooting him into space.

In the 616, nobody likes Banner. People hate and fear the Hulk, but people also think Banner is an obnoxious, egotistical little shit who causes more harm than good. The Hulk often gets more respect than Banner does, because he has allies that respect his strength when it's not turned against them.

In the MCU, sending the Hulk into space is unfeasible in large part because nobody who has the resources to do that wants to do it to Bruce. In the 616, it was an easier call because f*ck Bruce.

edited 30th Jul '14 10:25:53 AM by TobiasDrake

But in the MCU, the only one with the resources to launch Bruce into space right now is Tony, who, as we all know, is Bruce's Science Bro

That's what he just said.

When people say they want a Civil War storyline I think what they really want is to see an internal struggle and division within the Avengers, the reason it happens is inconsequential.

I also think MARVEL has gotten better at massive scale Lets You And He Fight stories because AvX was ignited by a situation where the two teams having widely different responses was justified.

I think post Thanos/Avengers 3 the world may be established enough we could have phase spanning stories. IE: The Avengers film kicks off a world spanning new status quo, and the phase follows the heroes exploit within this status quo, and it is then resolved in the next Avengers film which then introduces the NEXT Status Quo.

I want Dark Reign adapted.

Doesn't that require a Villain to LIVE through their debut movie?

It's happened a few times in the MCU.

Abomination, Zola, Crossbones, Loki, Justin Hammer, Thanos, (I'm betting either Nebula, Ronan or The Collector survive) debatably Red Skull.

edited 30th Jul '14 10:57:49 AM by Whowho

The Red Skull and the Mandarin/Killian are both in such a position that while officially dead, either character could be written back to life with minimal difficulty. The nice thing about vaporization deaths is that they can easily result in Never Found the Body.

And then, of course, there is the inevitably disappointing True Mandarin.

edited 30th Jul '14 11:26:47 AM by TobiasDrake

I doubt Killian will be coming back. There's pretty clear limitations on just how much Extremis can regenerate, and he got pretty much splattered across the floors and walls while in an unstable state.

@Tobias, I am not too caught up with comics if at all and the ones I've read (in this case The New Avengers) didn't even feature the Hulk at all from where I was reading.

So what exactly did the mainstream universe do to Bruce? I thought he was supposed to be a repressed reedy sort whose bottled up anger was part of what created the Hulk and certain versions of the Hulk, were jerks like Joe Fixit.

Read The Illuminati series and then you will know.

I'm in no position to read anything right now or in the next few months unless I am randomly given a trip home. What's the answer from people who can?

Basically, a group consisting of Reed Richards, Xavier, Namor, Doctor Strange, Black Bolt, and Iron Man decided to have him flung off into space so he wouldn't cause any more trouble for Earth.

Also, recently thanks to Original Sin, Tony Stark made the Gamma Bomb into what it was, purposefully making it more powerful to spite Bruce after getting into a drunken argument.

edited 30th Jul '14 12:21:12 PM by nomuru2d

Likewise with Vanko, though I'm less interested in seeing him as a Big Bad as much as the anti-Iron Man member of a Masters Of Evil lineup.

edited 30th Jul '14 12:17:12 PM by KnownUnknown

After all the rampages he'd gone on as well as his hilariously frequent Heel–Face Revolving Door moments, they simply deemed the Hulk too dangerous. Since they can't execute him they shot him off into space instead.

edited 30th Jul '14 12:17:25 PM by comicwriter

Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, Mister Fantastic, Namor, and Black Bolt get together in a misguided attempt to control things. They decide the Hulk is too much of a menace to risk him staying on Earth. They fire him at an uninhabited world far away. Hulk's ship is sucked into a worm hole along the way. Then planet Hulk happens.

Okay, that was more info than necessary because I KNOW who the illuminati are because of aforementioned reading of the New Avengers, always have. I was asking about Bruce.

Thank you comicwriter for better answering my question than the others. But I still don't know what it is they did to Bruce's personality in the mainstream comic universe.

edited 30th Jul '14 12:28:29 PM by MousaThe14

If you wanted to know what happened to his personality, you only need to ask.

Basically, after the chaos of World War Hulk and War of the Hulks, he became more overwhelmed with self-loathing. Eventually, it came to a head when a particular reveal happened: the only difference between Banner and Hulk is that one is huge and super-strong.

It's also the case that the Illuminati were aware that Civil War might be around the corner because they had fingers in discussion circles in the white house and they didn't want to risk Hulk taking part in any disputes and ramping up loads of deaths.

Ironically Civil War ended with Hulk returning and then stomping on them ALL (with no fatalities)in World War Hulk.

Poetic.

Although the Illuminati was a retcon, it did make a lot of the idiot decisions retroactively make sense. Decimation and Dissembled and House of M just happened because someone, Scarlet Witch, hated them so the Avengers didn't exist and X-Men might not have a future so it made sense to form a team prepared to do things in a less visible way.

It was idiotic though and really did enable the next event, Secret Invasion to end with Norman Osborn gaining public support in their sted and usurping all of that infrastructure and kick starting Dark Reign.

Bruce's personality in the comics, at least in the modern ones, is basically that he's bitter and resentful of super-geniuses like Tony Stark and Reed Richards, convinced that he's MUCH smarter than them, and is desperately trying to prove it with what amounts to a one-sided pissing contest. Not long ago, he recruited himself for S.H.I.E.L.D. and set up an arrangement to let them weaponize the Hulk - sending him where they need a super-powered response - in exchange for a lab and the resources he needs to invent all the things he can think of. He's waging an intellectual war against himself to prove he's smarter than Richards and Stark and the rest of them, and losing.

Pym needs to sit him down and give him a talk.