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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34626: May 22nd 2015 at 1:09:32 AM

Turns out Loki taunts the heroes by greeting them upon reaching Thanos by turning into Cap.wild mass guess

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#34627: May 22nd 2015 at 1:49:36 AM

Or they forcibly resurrect Cap using one of the stones (and/or Thanos does it to torture them), resulting in the gem-created him having to convince them to let the memory of him go and fight as one (since if Tony is still indirectly responsible for his death that'll probably be a wedge driving point in the team) one last time.

edited 22nd May '15 1:49:58 AM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34628: May 22nd 2015 at 2:16:58 AM

Or just leave him alive....

honestly, I don't think that I can handle him dying. Not just because I really like the character, but because he is the moral core of the avengers. There aren't enough straightforward good heroes in the media nowadays. I don't want to loose the one we got.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#34629: May 22nd 2015 at 6:22:48 AM

Hey, what if they make it seem like he bit the dust, but it turns out that's he's in hiding, like how it was in Captain America: The Winter Soldier?

Also, Japan gets all the good stuff. sad

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34630: May 22nd 2015 at 7:35:22 AM

[up]Honestly, they should lay off the fake deaths for a while.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#34631: May 22nd 2015 at 7:43:59 AM

My understanding of the contract is that it obligates the actor to return in the event future movies are filmed that want his character, but does not require the studio to use that character.

So, like, if Jim Carrey signed a nine-picture deal to play Carnage, for the duration of nine film appearances, the studio would have to use Jim Carrey for the role of Carnage and Jim Carrey would have to appear when the studio wanted to make movies with Carnage in them, but if the studio only made one movie with Carnage and never used the character for anything else, nothing happens.

I don't think the contracts usually have a "You must use all of my character's appearances within X time frame" clause. For the most part, they lock the actor into a role, not the studio.

edited 22nd May '15 7:46:17 AM by TobiasDrake

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#34632: May 22nd 2015 at 7:47:51 AM

[up][up][up] They already did that once and got some flak for it. I don't think audiences would be too pleased if they do it a second time unless it's shown to be faked beforehand.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34633: May 22nd 2015 at 7:49:30 AM

[up][up]Well, there certainly is a clause concerning how to handle the scheduling. If an actor has already signed up for a movie and is set to film let's say in in January 2016, I can't imagine that another studio can come along later and insist that he fulfils his obligation exactly at the same time as he does the other movie.

edited 22nd May '15 7:49:44 AM by Swanpride

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#34634: May 22nd 2015 at 8:15:11 AM

Yeah, I'm not sure how that works. I know I've seen it happen plenty of times. "X has a reduced role this film/season because of scheduling conflicts with another film/show s/he is working on."

edited 22nd May '15 8:15:29 AM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#34635: May 22nd 2015 at 8:16:45 AM

Wasn't that why Hawkeye didn't show up in WS?

Edit: @Gotg2: I would use this movie to introduce Moondragon and have Phyla be mentioned in Captain Marvel(if Mar-Vell shows up in it)so she can join the team in Gotg3.

It will probably be Mantis instead because she's easy to turn into a alien, doesn't need that much special effects to show her powers/fighting style and they can avoid having more representation in their movies so they won't scare away new viewers. Mantis is on the bottom of my list of what female Guardians to add because she's so boring compared to all the rest.

edited 22nd May '15 9:41:04 AM by LordofLore

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#34636: May 22nd 2015 at 8:58:20 AM

A bit late here, but I'm not the only one who realized that in Ao U, Sokovia was basically a stand in for Kosovo was I ?

edited 22nd May '15 8:58:37 AM by Xopher001

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34637: May 22nd 2015 at 9:04:27 AM

They already did that once and got some flak for it. I don't think audiences would be too pleased if they do it a second time unless it's shown to be faked beforehand.

How It Should Have Ended basically said the same thing.

Superman: You keep dying and bringing people back to life, nobody will accept it if one of you actually gets killed someday.
Captain America: (laughs) None of us are gonna die! That's silly talk.
Batman: Okay, well we'll see.

edited 22nd May '15 9:04:39 AM by VeryMelon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#34638: May 22nd 2015 at 9:46:28 AM

[up][up]There are a couple of eastern European countries which fit the description.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34639: May 22nd 2015 at 9:54:09 AM

[up][up]Which is funny because Superman is a major reason why nobody takes death in comics seriously anymore.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#34640: May 22nd 2015 at 9:54:49 AM

And Batman faked his death at the end of the Dark Knight Rises.

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#34641: May 22nd 2015 at 10:35:49 AM

[up] Er, not all of us has seen TDKR so...spoilers much?

Also, what's a better name for the MCU!Spider-Man movie:

The Spectacular Spider-Man or Spider-Man: The New Avenger?

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34642: May 22nd 2015 at 10:39:40 AM

If Asa Butterfield is playing Peter I really hope they don't call it The Spectacular Spider-Man. Then I'll just hate it out of spite for having the gall to be named that and not let Josh keaton play Peter.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#34643: May 22nd 2015 at 10:40:48 AM

Josh Keaton is 36 years old. I love the guy and think he should always voice animated Peter, but even for Dawson Casting, that's a bit much.

edited 22nd May '15 10:41:01 AM by TobiasDrake

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#34644: May 22nd 2015 at 10:42:15 AM

Listen, I never said it was rational.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#34645: May 22nd 2015 at 10:55:50 AM

[up]x4 I don't like The New Avenger or anything that explicitly mentions the Avengers really since technically it would apply to basically any character being debuted after the first Avengers movie and destined to appear as an Avenger at some point. Plus I don't think they need to hit people over the head with the fact he's in the MCU that hard, just having a single established MCU character appear in the movie will be enough for anyone in the audience who cares.

I'd say they could just call it "Spider-Man" and leave it at that. If we must do something different, then I'd say give it a subtitle based on whatever storyline they are loosely adapting or something that references the villain of the story.

edited 22nd May '15 10:56:28 AM by Falrinn

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#34647: May 22nd 2015 at 11:02:37 AM

Crazy thought- How about Josh Keaton as The Hood?

edited 22nd May '15 11:02:46 AM by Hodor2

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34648: May 22nd 2015 at 11:04:40 AM

Er, not all of us has seen TDKR so...spoilers much?

The movie came out like 3 years ago. The window for spoiler alerts has passed, I'd think.

As for the name I'm not really fond of The New Avenger. It doesn't really roll off the tongue.

edited 22nd May '15 11:05:24 AM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#34650: May 22nd 2015 at 11:10:33 AM

The Hood would be cool as the Big Bad of the Netflix Defenders show.


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