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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#1: Jul 30th 2011 at 8:49:48 PM

Okay, so I came across this trope, and it doesn't seem to have anything especially wrong with the examples or wicks except that it seems like it's probably underused, and hasn't brought many people to the site. But COME ON, it's named partly after a character who didn't even do what the trope is about! It says right on it "And no, He Who Must Not Be Named doesn't own a chain of supermarkets." I think that qualifies it for a rename.

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SakurazakiSetsuna Together Forever... Since: Jun, 2010
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#2: Jul 30th 2011 at 8:53:36 PM

Classic example of a pun in search of a trope. And definitely underused, I can think of several anime examples right off the top of my head.

Anyway...hmm...Evil R Us? Nah, I think we should avoid tying this directly to being "evil"

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#3: Jul 30th 2011 at 8:56:09 PM

Surely there are legit examples we can use as a name.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#4: Jul 30th 2011 at 8:57:00 PM

Predatory Business . What this trope is about is called "predatory business practices", in real life.

edited 30th Jul '11 8:57:52 PM by Madrugada

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#5: Jul 30th 2011 at 8:58:29 PM

I would definitely never have been able to find this, had I been looking. At the very least, needs some good redirects.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#6: Jul 30th 2011 at 9:07:11 PM

I wouldn't mind calling it Predatory Business Practicing.

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ThatHuman someone from someplace Since: Jun, 2010
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#7: Jul 31st 2011 at 2:17:20 AM

Yeah, this could use a rename.

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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
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#9: Jul 31st 2011 at 7:59:36 AM

Mal Mart?

Maybe I'm trying too hard for a punny name, here.

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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#10: Jul 31st 2011 at 8:48:20 AM

There is now a single proposition rename crowner for this trope here.

VoldeMart found in: 32 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 46 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#11: Jul 31st 2011 at 11:24:51 AM

What this trope is about is called "predatory business practices", in real life.

While "predatory pricing" does turn up as a term for part of this trope (the intentional undercutting with prices), I had a feeling of familiarity with the term and looked for "predatory business practices" and it seems to refer more to unscrupulous ways of entrapping the customer rather than the unscruplous damaging of businesses around one's own that the trope talks about. If we want to follow the predatory animal metaphor, it makes sense: customers are prey but this trope is about the staking out of your territory.

Sure, it's all terminology for calling bis businesses a bunch of dicks so I can imagine people crossing over uses of the term but I don't think it works for us with the trope. It doesn't scream "Huge All Consuming Business Machine That Will Devour Mom 'n' Pop And Salt The Earth Around It".

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#12: Jul 31st 2011 at 3:48:54 PM

Rockafellering? That's what I always called it in history class. No idea if that's the proper name.

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helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#13: Jul 31st 2011 at 4:28:04 PM

[up] Yes, but Rockefeller is remembered for a great many things. Being rich, most of all.

Also, I doubt this needs a Real Life section for anything but the most flagrantly underhanded practices, and even then, it's probably not a great idea.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#14: Jul 31st 2011 at 4:30:54 PM

Looked in the examples, and King Of The Hill has Megalomart.

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#15: Jul 31st 2011 at 4:58:53 PM

[up] That would require people to know that it's a pun on "megalomaniac", and I doubt the general population's gonna know what that means.

petrie911 Since: Aug, 2009
#16: Jul 31st 2011 at 5:00:22 PM

Family Guy has that, too.

Eh...I'm not big on renaming this. The trope is pretty clear from the title.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#17: Jul 31st 2011 at 5:01:27 PM

Rockefeller Business Tactics? It's still dependent on knowing early 20th century business tactics, but it's pretty short and accurate. At least in my opinion. Standard Oil could be used instead of Rockefeller. Actually, that reminds me, I should go check The Other Wiki's page on them and see if any name has been tacked on.

Blast, no luck there.

edited 31st Jul '11 5:04:30 PM by Deboss

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#18: Jul 31st 2011 at 5:59:47 PM

[up][up][up]I can use obscure show as an argument, but assuming people don't know an actual English word is a bit much. I don't think Viewers Are Morons should be an argument against a name.

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Xtifr World's Toughest Milkman Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
#19: Jul 31st 2011 at 6:02:55 PM

[up]Agreed. I don't think megalomaniac is a particularly obscure word in any case, even if it does have 11 letters.

[down]that's a better argument.

edited 31st Jul '11 6:19:54 PM by Xtifr

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#20: Jul 31st 2011 at 6:09:47 PM

I don't think it's obscure, but I, personally, never made the connection. I assumed it was a contraction of Mega and Low. And this is why portmanteaus suck.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Jul 31st 2011 at 6:23:04 PM

Well let's look at the examples for any name that indicates the trope better.

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NoirGrimoir Rabid Fujoshi from San Diego, CA Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Rabid Fujoshi
#22: Jul 31st 2011 at 11:27:56 PM

Maybe more like Crooked Corporation Culls Competition evil grin

edited 31st Jul '11 11:28:05 PM by NoirGrimoir

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savage Nice Hat from an underground bunker Since: Jan, 2001
#23: Aug 2nd 2011 at 5:24:27 PM

Guys guys guys. The key is to make it clear first, then to work with the clear title until it's witty.

And I don't see why you can't do something playing off the naming conventions of many of these in fiction.

Mega Evil Mart, anyone?

VoldeMart found in: 32 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 46 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

Ouch. Trope's been around for a while, too, and doesn't seem to have gotten anywhere. Name seems clear enough for me looking at it (easy to associate Voldemort with evil and then just figure it from there) but if I was searching for this trope I wouldn't look for it under VoldeMart. That's probably why it isn't working.

edited 2nd Aug '11 5:28:48 PM by savage

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sgrunt Sigil Spam from the depths of your mind Since: Apr, 2009
#24: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:27:53 PM

I just stumbled across this page randomly, and it appears that there's a strong will to rename the page.

Shall we get to work on deciding what it should be called, then?

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
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#25: Oct 6th 2011 at 1:36:48 PM

Rrename crowner called at +35 (yeas:44 nays:9) 4.89 : 1 after nearly 3 months open. Time to start brainstorming new names.

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AlternativeTitles: VoldeMart
6th Oct '11 8:25:39 PM

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Renaming Volde Mart.

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