Moderator note: This thread sort of drifted. The current, bigger issue started at this post.

It really doesn't make any sense that all of the game info is mixed in with the non-game info. All of those adaptations have fleshed-out universes with some characters that are a bit different from their counterparts in the games and other continuities. It's at least a good thing that the Comics and Cartoons page was separated by debut source by someone else. I think that there should be a character page for each of those sources.

However, if this takes off, I probably won't get involved with this, since I've never seen any of those adaptations and I don't really care about them either (hence why I didn't separate the Comics and Cartoons page myself).

edited 10th Aug '11 2:03:47 PM by MetaFour

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Most of the different adaptations have their own pages (Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog, Sonic X, Sonic Underground, Archie Sonic), but not the Saturday-morning cartoon which gets filed under series.Sonic The Hedgehog. Making character pages for the cartoons/comics would be easy, but to get rid of Princess Sally and the rest from the Sat AM crowd, you'd need to give Saturday-Morning Sonic its own page — that or double it up with Archie Sonic, since there's only a handful of characters that never showed up in the comic.

I can spend some time on the Archie page, but sheesh, that's a huge undertaking. Almost every character in the games has shown up, plus several characters from Adventures, the core Sat AM cast and leagues and leagues of originals. The profiles there already don't even scratch the surface.

edited 30th Jul '11 3:42:27 PM by Tyoria

Yeah, the SatAM series can get its own page even though it shares the name with the main Sonic The Hedgehog series but just has a different namespace.

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I'll keep this brief due to the fact my connection's dodgy, but I've been working on a character page for the archie comic. It's still a work in progress though. Maybe once I'm done we can use that as a benchmark for what to move or delete?

My name has nothing to do with Psychonauts.

Just do something like the Dissidia character page? Gameplay tropes in a separate section from personality and visual tropes.

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!

That doesn't work. we're talking about characters as portrayed in different continuities, which are distinct and separate from how they are portrayed in one continuity to the other.

My name has nothing to do with Psychonauts.

It should have had its own page in the first place. All the other major Sonic cartoons have their own pages, and it seems like the only reason Sat AM was picked for having the series subsection of the Sonic page is because the cartoon's official name happened to share the same name as the game series, which frankly I'd consider a mistake on the show's writers' part.

I don't think it should share with the comics either, as the comics incorporate stuff both from SatAM and the games as well as throw a whole bunch of new stuff in. They're too distinct, regardless of what they have in common with each other and not with other cartoons or the games.

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My personal feeling is they're all better off with their own individual pages so they can have a characters tab all to their own. Mind you, that's gonna have a lot of redundancies, but we are also talking about a cast whose personality is somewhat different from adaptation to adaptation.

Archie Sonic used to be on the main Sonic tab itself, before we moved it to its own space a while back. We can certainly do the same for Sat AM, provided no one objects.

The main Sonic characters tab would then probably stick to the game-characters, while providing links to the other character pages. That's my suggestion, at any rate.

I'd say very different. In some ways different adaptations' versions of different characters could even be contrasted.

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It's not like it doesn't happen with, say, different versions of the DC Universe. I mean, Young Justice has its own character page, and it still covers Batman.

My name has nothing to do with Psychonauts.

*bump*

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Let's do this. Stick the TV-specific information somewhere like Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog Sat AM. Stick a link at the top of Characters.Sonic The Hedgehog saying something along the lines of "If you're looking for the characters from the Saturday-morning cartoon version, see here."

I don't have any first-hand knowledge of the series, so I can't exactly move it myself.

Is that what we should call it? Sonic The Hedgehog Sat AM? We can add redirects for Series.Sonic The Hedgehog, Saturday Morning Sonic and whatnot.

I was just throwing it out there as a suggestion.

I see we do already have Sat AM Sonic The Hedgehog as a redirect to Series.Sonic The Hedgehog. (Which we really ought to move to WesternAnimation.Sonic The Hedgehog.)

I'd suggest Sonic Sat AM as it's simpler and more concise.

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Well I'd prefer not to agonize over it so I'm going to go with that last suggestion and if someone objects we'll take it from there. Moving to Sonic Sat AM.

Someone should get screengrabs from Sat AM for use on the character page, since the Archie images are out of place there. I copied the info from the main page onto the Sonic Sat AM character page, but we're missing entries for our main hero and villain, whose profiles are gonna need more work than the others.

Then I grabbed everything and duplicated it onto the Archie character page. I haven't written up anything new yet (I will), so right now it's a bit of a mess.

edited 10th Aug '11 5:44:57 AM by Tyoria

Argle bargle. We're trying to move all works from mainspace into the proper namespace. Sonic Sat AM should be WesternAnimation.Sonic Sat AM.

There. Moved.

edited 10th Aug '11 1:51:44 PM by MetaFour

Oh dear. I'd forgotten about that. Thanks, sorry to make more work for you.

Anyway, I don't have any strong feelings either way myself, and I hate to drag it out, but I can imagine some folks might object to using the fan name rather than the official title, so I think we should get a bit more input. But we'll leave the article at Sonic SatAM until we get significant objections against it.

It's not a fan name anymore. Everyone calls it SatAM. The writers call it SatAM. Sega calls it SatAM. Even the DVD boxset calls it SatAM on the front cover.

It might as well be its official name, really.

edited 10th Aug '11 2:39:50 PM by Unknownlight

Hm, on the one hand, Sonic the Hedgehog is the show's official title; a little unoriginal, but eh. On the other hand, Sonic Sat AM is pretty much Ascended Fanon by this point as far as the fandom is concerned. Frankly, I think it should be placed on Sonic SatAM to avoid confusion with the franchise in general, with Sonic The Hedgehog as a redirect.

While we're at it, we should move Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog and Sonic Underground over to the Western Animation namespace as well.

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.

Sonic Sat AM also has the advantage that it allows the Characters page to have the same title as the work page, while still allowing it to be a separate article from the videogame-centric Characters page.

edited 10th Aug '11 3:44:38 PM by MetaFour

Done.