General Digimon Topic

I really don't think that's repetition for the sake of humor at all, but if the Pokemon bit is about Ash losing the Kalos League finals, I do think that stems from that same sort of mindset that brings us the repeated Leomon fatalities. (That easily felt like the most unnecessary spoiler tag I have ever used, btw)

Basically, the writers are so steeped in tradition that they don't know what they would write if tradition was broken. In Pokemon's case, if Ash did win the league, then it would be harder to use the bread-and-butter recurring plotline in which Ash loses in battles to an inexperienced trainer, then trains hard for a rematch; sure that sort of plot is silly even now, but it would be harder to justify if Ash had a major title under his belt. Rather than search for and try out new plots, the writers decide not to risk it and stick to what they know, which seals Ash's fate. It's not intended to be funny, it's just disappointingly lazy writing.

Similarly, Leomon's deaths in Digimon reoccur because by this point, Leomon has become an archetype all his own. A muscular anthropomorphic lion digimon has become visual shorthand for "brave, wise mentor and/or authority figure." Long-term fans immediately recognize that without any screentime needed to demonstrate those traits because it was established in Adventure and codified in Tamers, so if the writers need a quick and cheap source of pathos, they just need to kill off a lion man and let our minds fill in the blanks for why that should be a poignant moment. This was most apparent in Tri, I feel, where Leomon was given basically zero characterization, but also applies to characters like Bancho Leomon in Savers and Apollomon in Xros Wars, who were given some amount of characterization but needed that extra push for maximum impact. Mad Leomon might actually have been a joke, though.

Eh. Leomon's characterization in Tri is a continuation of his characterization in Adventure. Though now, he's more like the old ally who still lends a hand when able to (as shown by his assistance to Himekawa and her task force, Mimi during the botched fight with Ogremon, and even the final fight with Infected Imperialdramon).

He's still a source of wisdom (and more importantly, information) and a stabilizing influence while he's there....even if he's completely unable to resist Meikyumon's begging, which also adds some humour to his character that we never got to see before.

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Is it just me or does Tamers get kinda boring after they enter the Digital World? The only thing keeping me from dropping it for something else is I'm over halfway through the series.

Also, I really don't care for Ryou. He just kinda steals the spotlight from everyone when he's around.

Yeah Tamers has a great beginning, and a pretty decent last set of episodes, but the middle part of the series in the digital world just drags. It doesn't get better until Beelzemon.

I don't really care for Kazu and Kenta either, honestly.

edited 30th Aug '16 4:23:24 PM by Draghinazzo

Yeah, Hirokazu and Kenta are just there contributing nothing. I know they get Partners later but I can't understand how they're so certain they can just get a Partner without a Digivice.

Also, I said that it was kinda dull so the next episode makes itself interesting with the resurgence of Hypnos kinda fucking things up for everyone. Now Lee and Terriermon are off somewhere and Takato is completely on his own. Hopefully we don't get anymore pure padding episodes like the one with Jijimon and Babamon.

They had no real business going to the Digimon World in the first place, if you ask me. "Oh THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO GET OUR OWN DIGIMON" is not really a good pretense to go there, they shouldn't have to be babysat by the main players. I mean it worked out in the end but they're just boring characters who don't really deserve any focus or attention, not to the level they got anyways.

Jian fights an Adult-level Digimon hand-to-hand and kicks it ass.

Jian for most badass Tamer. What's-his-face from Savers/Data Squad can go suck a dick; Jian did it first and didn't need special powers.

edited 30th Aug '16 5:27:00 PM by Zelenal

Hey man! Don't rip on Masaru!

But yeah, what Jen did was pretty cool. Though I get the feeling Scubamon / Divermon / whatever his name is isn't really that strong, but still, it's a slick move.

Just finished the main story of Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth. It's a great game with a fantastic story and well written characters. It's the best modern update to the Digimon franchise and definitely gave me a positive impression of the direction Digimon is heading for older fans. Despite the very inconsistent localization, people should go buy it, especially since it shows support for bringing more great stuff like Cyber Sleuth.

I'll post all my thoughts in a later post but for now I just want to vent about two things from the ending.

• There are a lot of things from the story that had been built up that the Cosmic Retcon ending doesn't address. While I do think that the game giving a gigantic Info Dump on every little detail that changed would've been a bit of a drag, they should have at least explained how Suedou's absence affected Eden's development since he was one of the chief architects behind it.
• Rie Kishibe gets a happy ending which is terrible because she had casually murdered several people in her rise to power before being possessed by Crusadermon and shows no regret for it in her diary. Her goal was to become the head of Kamishiro Enterprises and the writers decided to reward her with that by having her marry Yuuko's dad because ???

So I just watched the episode where Takato and Guilmon biomerge to Dukemon for the first time. Then I decided to check out the dub real quick and, my god, I can't stand it. Well, I can't stand Guilmon's voice but the others seemed fine (even if Beelzebumon's voice wasn't as badass). Also, the dub censorship made Dukemon's (Why did they change his name to Gallantmon?) speech to Beelzebumon less badass.

Seriously, though, Masako did a damn good job as Dukemon.

Hey, I thought Beelzemon's dub voice was fine; also, at least in the English dub Gallantmon doesn't start randomly referring to himself in the third person. I really have no idea why he started to do that as Dukemon; "That is something that I, Dukemon, cannot allow."

Beelzebumon's dun voice isn't bad. I just don't think it's as good.

SaintGalgomon is easily the derpiest looking of the Ultimates. I'm also really bad at pronouncing Zhuqiamon's name because I don't understand how Chinese is pronounced. I need to hunt down the katakana on the Digimon wiki.

edited 1st Sep '16 4:51:25 PM by Zelenal

Well he's supposed to be a St. Bernard. >.>

"You thought it was me, but it was I, Dukemon!"

"Zoo-chow-mon", if the dub and my memory of it is correct.

edited 1st Sep '16 4:53:12 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Well, Google Translate is giving me something I can't pronounce so I'm going by what the Japanese call it, Suzaku, and pronounce it as Suzakumon.

I also have trouble saying Siuchun's name.

It's supposed to reinforce his knightly demeanor.

Except Guilmon pretty much acted like he always does in his Adult and Perfect forms, which we saw after Growlmon killed Devidramon; why would merging with Takato suddenly make him act like a knight in personality?

I guess they changed it from Dukemon to Gallantmon because most people think of a duke as a rich, idle noble instead of a gallant knight.

I'm pretty sure they changed it to Gallantmon so it would start with a G like Guilmon and Growlmon.

Him speaking in the third person is like, the best thing about Dukemon! How can you hate that?

I figure that, even though Growlmon is the adult form, Dukemon speaking in a Knightly manner was meant to emphasize how he (along with Takato) had really matured and had gone from unsure noobs to noble nights avenging a fallen comrade and all that shit.

And is something that I, Handsome Rob, believe to be very cool.

In Tamers I liked how the dub made a point to keep each of the main three digimon's voices the same when they reached a higher level, in contrast to the previous two seasons. It's sort of implied that digivolution alters a digimon's personality to some degree in Adventure, usually making them more emotionally mature.

Tamers, by contrast, made it a point that when each of the main digimon reached a new level, they still had the same personality and mannerisms. This is especially true with Guilmon, who is still mentally a very young child even at the Ultimate level. When he stops speaking like a child that's a sign that something has gone very, very wrong.

It also serves as a rather subtle hint that Cyberdramon is different from the other main digimon that his voice and personality do change when he reverts to Monodramon.

Speaking as someone who generally likes the Tamers dub, I do feel that Gallantmon's voice was a pretty bad call. I get what they were going for with the unchanging voice motif, but heating two high-pitched voices coming out of this big imposing knight guy really takes away some of the impact. It should have been possible to speak just a tiny bit deeper in order to make both voices sound a more mature while still being identifiably Takato and Guilomon's voices. It also feels like a bit of a waste, considering the Guilomon half of Gallantmon's voice is Steve Blum.

This is true.

Guilmon is kid Goku. Dukemon is Buu saga Goku, with improved vocabulary.

That's it.