General Digimon Topic

It doesnt help that in order for the two to reach their Mega modes everyone else had to give up the ability to fight.

You know, after Tri came out, I was far less excited than when I was when it was announced. I still haven't watched the second set of episodes despite having no reason not to.

Tanuki guy, you probably meant to say"NOT a Digimon anime" because that's contradictory to your intentions-.

I think it would have been much better if, instead of giving the warriors of fire and light that much power at the expense of the others, they found a way to give everyone else the combined versions of both their human and beast spirits as well in order to fight the rogue knights. They could still combine all of their forces to become Susanoomon in the finale, but the whole concept behind the addition of both KaiserGreymoon and MagnaGarurumon was really unnecessary and I think it would have been so much better if these two were never created to begin with.

Damn, they could even give these four kids they've encountered during the arc the purified spirits of the remaining four elements to improve their chances. It would not only be an interesting concept for a small arc, but it would also add something else to shake the repetitive formula a little bit.

edited 20th Apr '16 3:27:51 PM by ShadowAbyss

All the kids getting the hybrid forms would have been good, but it also would have been good if Kaiser Greymon and Magna Garurumon had the respective kids "combining" to form them in the same way they do with Susanoomon. That's much more preferable to what happened (which IIRC the kids give up their elements and are sitting there uselessly), and it reinforces that those warriors are borne out of a combined effort of all the children.

There's also the fact that it seems like it's trying to recapture the magic of Digimon Adventure...and failing miserably.

Yeah when Wargreymon & Metalgarururmon came into existence its not like all the other kids became useless. Ya know you can compare the Royal Knights arc to the Dark Masters arc in couple of ways actually.

@Aegis Typo,my bad.I WOULDNT call it a Digimon anime.

It probably would have been better if the Zeta Hybrids had just been a one-off thing for the Cherubimon fight. I would have like to have seen Zeta Hybrids for the other characters, though, and Fusion Hybrids for the corrupted Warriors. Frontier wasted a lot of its potential, but it had its charms. Mercurymon being foremost among them. Also, does anyone else think Hunters was a lot like Pokémon, what with the capturing of Digimon?

It pretty much was Pokemon yeah.

They'd might as well had a group of Team Rocket ripoffs. Oh wait, they already have Arukenimon and Mummymon.

edited 21st Apr '16 8:57:00 AM by superboy313

Actually, Hunters already has its own version of the Team Rocket, they are that trio of hunters that always fail to hunt the monster of the week before the protagonist.

I don't know. Those guys weren't quite as lame as Team Rocket were.

That kid who was their leader seemed a little better, and then turned out to be an unwitting mole since the Big Bad disguised himself as his digimon.

Yes, they are not as bad as the original Team Rocket, but I still like to classify them as such because, after some time, even the leader of the trio started to disappoint me to the point it became hard for me to even take him seriously. As the series went on, it became so common for him to just schrug off all of his defeats that it looked like he wasn't even trying anymore. They eventually hit their lowest point in the Locomon episode, when they tried that stupid scheme of hijacking the locomotive for their own use and all three of them ended up being defeated in a quite cartoonish way. After this point I couldn't even take their leader seriously anymore.

In the end, the problem with them is that there is a difference between behaving like a badass and actually being a badass, just like there is a difference between looking like the situation is under your control and actually having the situation under your control. The lack of actual on-screen feats of the trio made it look like all of their boasts about being such great hunters just one huge Informed Ability.

edited 21st Apr '16 9:39:34 AM by ShadowAbyss

What would you guys say were the high and low points of each season? (We'll count Hunters as season 6.5 so that it doesn't mess with results for pre-timeskip Xros Wars)

Adventure

• High: Dark Masters, from the separation onwards
• Low: First chunk of the File Island arc

02

• High: Daemon Corps invasion
• Low: Destiny Stones arc

Tamers

• High: Beelzemon fight
• Low: Aimlessly wandering around the digital world "arc"

Frontier

• High: Sakkakumon arc
• Low: Royal Knights

Savers

• High: The first major excursion into the digital world to meet Merukimon
• Low: Yggdrasill arc

Xros Wars

• High: Apollomon arc
• Low: Gravimon arc

Hunters

• High: Tagiru Chikara
• Low: That one episode where they let Satan completely off the hook because he just wanted a friend

Over all, I would say the Apollomon arc is potentially my favorite arc throughout the entire series, despite the fact that I think Xros Wars is "meh" at best. The series low point for me, not counting obvious picks like Royal Knights or anything from Hunters, could possibly be the stolen D-Tectors mini arc from Frontier.

edited 22nd Apr '16 12:59:12 PM by MileRun

Agreed. I'd tolerate Young Hunters again (with a better done plot that is) if I could hear that song again.

The high point of Adventure was the Vamdemon arc with the low point being the Dark Masters arc.

I'd put the high points of Tamers as the beginning, the low points as the beginning of the deva fights and pretty much everything up until the Beelzemon fight. Tamers had a great beginning and a good ending but the middle of it dragged a lot.

• Adventure:
  • Highs: The Devimon arc and the Myotismon Arc
  • Lows: Etamon and Dark Masters
• Zero Two
  • Highs: Chimeramon two parter and the World Tour
  • Lows: Everything else but especially the Destiny Stone Arc
• Tamers:
  • Highs: Deva Arc and D-Reaper Arc
  • Lows: The Hypnos Arc/beginning episodes (They were good but not as good as the former two.) and the Digital World Arc.
• Frontier:
  • Highs: The search for the Spirits and the Ending
  • Lows: Fighting the Legendary Warriors and the Royal Knights
• Savers
  • Highs: N/A.
  • Lows: Literally everything, maybe. I dropped it halfway through so...
• Young Hunters
  • Highs: Most of it?
  • Lows: If I had to pick one probably the last few episodes since they feel forced in.

If you never actually watched Savers, you can't actually talk about what highs and lows it has. You should have just excluded it.

A high would be the Kurata arc (first human villain in the series) while you could call the introductory arc the series low.

You also left out the first two arcs of Xros Wars (Code Crown Arc and Seven Death Generals Arc).

Young Hunters itself is a low for the whole series honestly.

I thought the lows of 02 would be everything in the end. "MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATT" and "I WANNA BE A TEACHER" especially.

edited 22nd Apr '16 4:23:43 PM by Psyga315

Edit: Never mind, I thought you meant across all of the series. I still think of those as seasons for some reason.

Digimon Adventure:

• Ups: It's an adventure story taking place largely in the Digital World, the characters' interactions drive a huge part of the story. Dramatic parts were generally well-done.
• Downs: Apocalymon was rather sudden. TK and Kari got Digivolutions that were OP compared to the others.

Adventure 02

• Ups: Armor and DNA digivolution add new mechanics, world tour arc, first human villains in one of the anime series
• Downs: Too many concepts (Daemon Corps., Dark Ocean, etc.) with too little focus, Adventure characters were sidelined a bit too much, MaloMyotismon was rather sudden.

Tamers

• Ups: The deconstruction element (namely, Hypnos being there to deal with rogue Digimon, even if they went too far, humans and Digimon not necessarily being good partners and the Sovereigns being aware of the human world), averting Adults Are Useless, some more focus on the 'mons, all of the main characters get the mega level.
• Downs: Digimon being invincible to conventional weapons. That just seemed like an Ass Pull to force confrontations.

Frontier

• Ups: Mostly good Digimon designs, an adventure story that takes place entirely in the Digital World, turning into Digimon is the logical next step after the mechanics from the previous series, the Digital World in this series makes at least a little more sense than Adventure's instead of being effectively random like Adventure's, Mercurymon's Large Ham tendencies were very entertaining
• Downs: Zoe was mostly useless and gratuitously fanservicey, most of the characters being Out of Focus after the Sakkakumon arc, Bokomon and Neemon could get obnoxious at times (especially in the Japanese version), the spirits probably could have become separate entities earlier on.
• I could go either way on the Royal Knights arc. On the one hand, it really did drag on. On the other, Takuya and Koji actually got stronger and more skilled with their new form, which added a dash of realism.

Savers

• Ups: It reconstructs some of the things Tamers deconstructed. The Digimon-related agency is a lot more reasonable, even if its oversight is by assholes. The Digimon who orders the attacks on the human world is also willing to listen. Kurata makes for an excellent human villain, namely due to kicking off the conflict in the first place and being somewhat of a foil to Touma/Thomas. Averts Adults Are Useless. The contrast between Masaru/Marcus and Touma/Thomas used well. Everyone gets a Super Mode, there's a lot of interation between the human characters and their Digimon.
• Downs: The punching and hot-bloodedness could get gimmicky after a while. The guy who oversees DATS is a Karma Houdini after all the shit he pulled.

Xros Wars

• Ups: Taiki is probably the most intelligent of the main heroes, Shoutmon has his own motivation and there's more focus on the Digimon in general. Takes place mostly in the Digital World. This series has a rather unique take on the Digital World. The main characters all have their motivation. Awesome music.
• Downs: Taiki is smart enough that he could have been more creative with DigiXrosing; way too many Xroses used Shoutmon as the main Digimon and just built the previous ones up further. Greymon basically overshadowed the other Blue Flare Digimon; at least the "main" Digimon of Xros Heart all got some time in the spot light. While some of the dub voices were improvements (looking at you, Ballistamon), the lines were generally subpar. Bagramon and DarkKnightmon were more compelling characters in the manga adaptation.

Hunters

• Ups: The setting is actually pretty interesting. Damemon comes back. I actually kind of liked the old watchmaker. More awesome music.
• Downs: Tagiru sidelines everyone to the point that there's barely any conflict. Tagiru and Gumdramon have way more selfish motivations that any of the other heroes. Quartzmon was a one-note villain. The plot only really kicks in toward the end. The other Digimon Tagiru and Yuu find don't do anything but upgrade the main Digimon.

Tri

• Not sure what to make of it yet, but I like what I've seen thus far. Also, am I the only one who wants to see Meikuumon die now?

edited 22nd Apr '16 6:54:01 PM by Ghostninja109

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I excluded the first two arcs of Xros Wars entirely because Young Hunters is the only arc of it I've seen in its entirety so I don't feel comfortable judging them unlike Savers which I've seen half of which i more than enough of to form an opinion on in my opinion.

Did you see the Kurata arc? I'd say that's when things pick up.

Hell, even the stuff with Mercurimon (the wolf god, not the hybrid) is pretty good. Plus Mach-Gaogamon.

The first truly evil human villain. Ken was somewhat brainwashed, and Yamaki was a Well-Intentioned Extremist. Kurata was a dick. Plain and simple.

Sad only one Seven Deadly Sin Digimon appeared on that show.