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The... thing that possessed Kari is apparently only fully explained in supplemental stuff. Which is stupid.

What do you mean it's stupid? YOU the loyal fan should've learned Japanese to understand this stuff, gosh!

If i remember correctly said 'supplemental stuff' in this case is the Xros Wars manga of all things.

Ya know, thinking about it, here are some changes I'd make to Adventure 99:

1. Make the prophecy regarding Vamdemon appear much earlier. Like, was back on File Island earlier. This would give the series a lingering mystery and one of the kids could recall it when the events of the prophecy are happening.
2. Mention Hikari sooner. Have on of the other Chosen Children ask where Hikari is and have Taichi explain that she's sick and had to stay home.
3. Make Tailmon a Baby (II)-level Digimon, make Angewomon an Adult-level Digimon, and give her a new Perfect-level form. As she is now, she comes off as a lot weaker than the others most of the time and 02 wouldn't have to pull that nonsense with the Holy Ring.
4. Either cut out romance entirely or make Sora/Yamato a little clearer. I know that I'm a Sora/Taichi shipper but I'm respecting the author's wishes here.
5. Make the VenomVamdemon fight take longer and make it more climactic.
6. Either cut out MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon so the other Dark Masters can get more focus or end Season 1 with VenomVamdemon and either have the Dark Masters cover Season 2 with the other Chosen Children needing to awaken the ability to take their Digimon to the Ultimate-level. As for the 02 kids, you could probably cut a lot of fluff from 02 and leave the plot intact so half of the season can be dedicated to their major events.
7. This is technically 02 stuff but I'd probably completely remove the epilogue. Just let fans think what they want is probably the better solution here as no one can really get pissed off that way.

I've heard there basically is no Tai/Sora in the original. It resulted from a miscommunication between the writers of the series and the movie, and was further amped by Dub Text.

I'm watching the original and I can state that it's certainly not true. While it certainly wasn't intentional on the part of the writers, I'd say that Sora/Taichi have just as many moments- if not more- than Sora/Yamato. However, as one scene expertly demonstrates, which one you ship is dependent almost entirely on how you think a couple in a relationship should act.

I don't particularly care either way. I've made my feelings on meeting your true love in elementary school clear before.

And I'm one of those who think there are no shipping hints in Adventure, so it seems to go either way.

As for Darkmasters I only like Piemon and Pinochimon, simply because their confrontations are better handled compared with the other two.

That's because you're not a veteran shipper with top-of-the-line Shipping Goggles.

Young me saw no romance in those people.

I didn't see any Taichi/Sora romance and only one episode that could be taken as Yamato/Sora, but 02 was extremely blatant about it even before the epilogue.

I don't like the idea of changing Tailmon's levels. She's the only example of natural evolution on the chosen children's side and like that it got some representation since that's the original evolution method from the v-pets.

In fact, I would have liked if the other kid's Digimon had naturally reached Adult level as well by the time of 02 (except for Patamon, since he died and was reborn - he can do that later in the season). It's a shame to me that it was ignored completely after Tailmon.

I think I didn't really notice the signs of Sorato in these seasons until people pointed it out for me. Maybe that's because the character doesn't interest me that much, at least not enough to make me care about who gets her love. Mimi, on the other hand, is another story and I've been shipping her with Izzy the moment I saw that episode in the labyrinth because I think she has a good dynamic with him.

I didn't see any real Taiora hints until the Digimon movie, which was Dub Text.

This is a lot better than what they did with Gatomon. None of the original eight could go above Champion anyway, so just have them naturally age into the form between Adventure and Adventure 02. Even Patamon could naturally age into Angemon, since he wouldn't be fighting any truly evil Digimon that his bonus damage trait would activate on.

This would allow the new kids to use all the Digi Eggs and keep the older cast from being useless in fights.

edited 25th Jan '16 10:52:22 AM by VeryMelon

I'd keep Patamon from evolving to Angemon in the first arc so he can still become Pegasusmon (Angemon > Pegasusmon would look super weird). And then after the Kaiser arc, he can naturally evolve. Then we'd get out first on-screen natural evolution for the protagonists.

There was Tai/Sora shipping in the Japanese version of Our War Game, but that came out of absolutely nowhere. I mean, you could make the argument that the whole kidnapping thing with Datamon in the Etemon arc was supposed to invoke Rescue Romance, but nothing came of that in the 30ish episodes that followed.

That said, there was also no Matt/Sora in the Japanese versions of the Adventure seasons right up until the concert episode in 02, so it's kinda weird that they decided to do that with zero buildup after Tai/Sora stuff canonically happened.

Relevant: This bit from Digimon System Restore's retrospective of that Datamon episode.

Our War Game also had another writer, and so the writing staff of 02 had no obligation to follow up on his wishes. According to them Yamato/Sora was planned before that so that was just one person's interpretation that went against the plan.

To be fair, even if you disregard his role in creating millenniumon, Machinedramon was the opponent that required the most outright plot armor in adventure (well, except Apocalymon deleting the chosen with his mind and they wishing themselves back). By the end of the first episode, he personally nukes the entire city block tai, izzy, kari and their respective partners are standing on from point blank range, yet they somehow survive that.

edited 27th Jan '16 4:02:49 AM by lgcruz

I have have to admit, I did quite like how pragmatic Machinedramon was. Metal Seadramon left too much of the work to his bumbling minions, Puppetmon was too confident and way too easily distracted, and Piemon made the mistake of toying with his prey. Meanwhile, Machinedramon just goes, "Screw it. Nuke the town." He may not have been the most interesting villain the series had to offer, but he was damn good at his job.

For a moment, I had no idea who you guys were talking about. Stupid dub name changes.

To be fair, Mugendramon's Mugen Cannon is nowhere near as powerful as you're making it out to be. As shown in the next episode, the blast radius isn't that large, maybe about twice the width of the beam, and the Chosen Children had certainly run far enough away to avoid that. Now, them surviving a drop that seemed to go for hundreds of feet? That's plot armor.

edited 27th Jan '16 11:53:12 AM by Zelenal

Nowhere near as powerfull as it seems to be?

Mugendramon is a mega; but even so, if you watch it carefully you'll see that the blast themselves don't just destroy the buildings; they go through the floor, through the ground, and go on into space (because they are in a spiraling tower). Not that they needed to be that powerful anyway, because again mugendramon was literally in front of them, aimed right at them, and they ran away inside the building of the city bloc that was obliterated the next instant.

I always thought that Machinedramon destroying a hundred Champions with his basic physical attack was one of the best showings of the power of a Mega in the series.

Tri did a really good job of showing exactly how destructive Digimon are. A single champion can cause hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage to a city structure, and most of the antagonists in Adventure are more than a hundred times stronger than that.

Alphamon and Omnimon in particular are so powerful that simply parrying each other's attacks can cause significant collateral damage. If they didn't hold back either of them could easily wipe out all of Tokyo.

edited 27th Jan '16 3:20:53 PM by Zennistrad

Surprised it wasn't more of an issue during the battles in 02.

Hell, look at the fight with Armageddmon in Diaboromon / Diablomon Strikes back. Considering the power of all three players in that battle, there should have been a lot more destruction.

Tamers also showed how much destruction the higher level digimon can cause. Same for Omega Shoutmon's fight with Tactimon.

At Izzy Mimi shipper:I KNOW RIGHT? I wasnt into the pairing before but after seen Reunion I SO AM! Izzy Mimi REPRESENT!

So...I guess Izzy is going to pollinate Mimi then.