General Digimon Topic

Who are the most powerful entities for each season?

• Adventure - Apocalymon (Omnimon if you are counting the movies)
• Adventure 02 - Daemon (Imperialdramon Paladin Mode if you are counting the movies)
• Tamers - D-Reaper
• Frontier - Susanoomon
• Savers - Yggdrasil
• Xros Wars - Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode

I consider Daemon as being superior to MaloMyotismon due to faring way better against the Digidestined. While MaloMyotismon will be forever remembered as an Anticlimax Boss, Daemon barely took hits during his fight despite facing the same opponents as the final boss, he also showed the ability to cast a forcefield so strong he could withstand a continuous barrage of their combined attacks without breaking a sweat while still maintaining the freedom to attack his targets and perform other tasks like opening a dimmensional portal in the middle of said barrage, his only mistake however was opening said portal in first place. Still, doesn't negate the fact the Digidestined didn't have the power to destroy him in a straight battle and had to push him into another world, so I've put him as above MaloMyotismon.

I've also listed Apocalymon and Yggdrasil as the most powerful in their respective continuities because despite losing to the Digidestined it only happened because they ganged up on them. They are still the most powerful individually.

edited 10th Jul '14 9:18:08 PM by ShadowAbyss

Omnimon stronger than Apocalymon? Not sure of that, to be honest.

Omnimon should, at least, have less trouble against him compared to the group.

I agree with that.

Also, as a Royal Knight, he's automatically pretty high on the power scale. I think the only reason Armagedmon was stronger is that Armagedmon deliberately made itself more powerful cause it knew that Omnimon was the guy to beat.

If not for Imperialdramon Paladin mode showing up, he would have won.

Kinda funny how he was beaten twice by two digimon (or four in the latter case) combining their power to create something stronger.

edited 10th Jul '14 9:51:47 PM by HandsomeRob

Apocalymon is made of hax though. Having the attacks from all the digimon that died? Being able to reverse evolution? Able to kill everyone with a thought? Destroys both worlds by making himself explode?

I don't thing omegamon is quite at that level.

He is. This is a guy who one shots millions of Mega Digimon at once.

Apocalymon would probably last longer then a single Dioaboromon, but not by much.

And Shoutmon X7 Superior Mode is pretty much stronger then nearly every other digimon in the franchise outside of stuff like Zeed Milleniumon, ENIAC, or NEO.

edited 11th Jul '14 6:57:42 AM by Demongodofchaos2

My reason to consider Omegamon stronger is actually mostly due to the first Tamers movie. In the beginning of said movie an Omegamon faced an Apocalymon and he won, and I don't think the result would be much different with their Adventure counterparts. The trick is in beating the guy quickly before he self-destructs and Omegamon has enough power to do that.

And I have to be fair here. Even if Omegamon is one of the most powerful Digimon I don't think he is hax to the point of destroying a million Megas at once (seriously, to suggest Omegamon alone can do that is so ridiculous it breaks my suspension of disbelief) and I have a personal explanation for that scene. All the Diaboromon in the movie he destroyed with his blasts were not actual Digimon, they were just clones much weaker than the original. My claim to support that is due to the fact once the explosions cleared the original was the only one who survived, which made me came to the conclusion the clones were not that tough in first place if they vanished in one hit while the original remained okay. They were not much different than Kage Bunshins in some sense. Also, Omegamon never displayed such supposed level of power again in any of his following appearences. I don't negate he is extremely powerful, but for me to say he has the power to beat millions of Megas alone is just a gross exaggeration.

edited 11th Jul '14 9:10:26 AM by ShadowAbyss

There's the omegamon from X evolution who was fighting X anti body versions of the digimon that make him up and was still winning.

Plus Omegamon X reset the digital world with All delete, so.....

Omegamon X is not the same thing as Omegamon, and the later doesn't have All Delete. Also, if the regular Omegamon had the power you are suggesting he has the fights with WarGreymon X and MetalGarurumon X wouldn't drag for as long as they did in the movie.

edited 11th Jul '14 9:40:13 AM by ShadowAbyss

There is more to competitive balance than how big the explosions you make are or how hard you can hit things. Apocalymon is a cannon made of glass. He can destroy both worlds at once in a suicide attack but mere Ultimate level Com Mons are able to damage him. He's not particularly quick either. "Reverse Evolution" only worked because he aimed at the kids, causing the monsters to dive in the way. Once they solved the problem by simply carrying the kids right off the bat, he became helpless and had to self destruct.

The fact that his self destruct was so powerful is the most shameless Peril Rollover I have ever seen (I honestly cannot comprehend why people look on Digimon Adventure so fondly but have the nerve to complain about Arkadimon or Lucemon) but consider Omega...Omnimon casually swatted away the attacks of millions of megas in two strokes. He might not have the offensive capability of Apocalymon but his defenses are so much higher it isn't funny. Omnimon is also likely faster than than anything the chosen children threw Apocalymon except maybe Lillymon and he definitely would do more damage than all of them. Omnimon probably just cut and shot Apocalymon to pieces before he could self destruct. Smashing a bomb doesn't always set it off, some need a proper trigger due to their nature and some are purposefully designed not to go off without that proper trigger. If Apocalymon's total annihilation required some special reaction going off inside himself, Omnimon's assault may have disrupted it.

I mean, D-reaper wasn't going to be simply beat down in the manner Beelzemon beat Megidramon, but it wasn't destroying both worlds at once just by existing either. Yggdrasil might have been able to shrug off four burst mode megas but it couldn't stand between Earth and the Digital World the way two non burst mode megas did.

This whole A beats B and so A must beat C as well kind of reasoning bugs me, because I suspect it lead to the disgusting Power Creep Digimon has experienced over the years. The reverse isn't always better, 02's explanation of Angemon only being strong against "evil digimon" felt forced and wasn't even internally consistent, as was the 02 movie's suggestion that Omnimon could be held off by millions of fresh levels after casually dispatching millions of this very same line's megas...but 02 is the badly written exception that proves the rule. At least whoever was behind 02 realized there was some merit in giving stressing the monster's exploitable strengths and weaknesses, even if the plot they constructed was...lacking...

After Total Annihilation, Reverse Digivolve is probably the most dangerous thing about Apocalymon (who I always thought came off as severely underpowered in the anime for what he was supposed to be). It's not too bad against chosen Digimon since their partners can just Digivolve them back up, but against regular Digimon who can't Digivolve whenever they want...

Plus X Evolution showed that Dukemon could put up a fight against Omegamon, even if he didn't last very long.

To be fair, Dukemon may not have been trying that much since his real plan was to get killed and come back as an X-Digimon.

Hard to tell how he would have faired if he'd been serious.

To note, the Apocalymon that Omnimon beat might not have been the same one in Adventure. Or more specifically, the same power level. Let's keep in mind that it can DNA with another Digimon to become Beelzemon Blast Mode...(which makes one question how truly powerful every version of him is).

I mean, there's at least 3 different Puppetmons too. Adventure 01, Tamers, and Xros Wars. Even Tamers had multiple Diaboramon(who were not even evil due to the situation, as they were all enemies of the D-Reaper).

As for the Apocalymon in Adventure(specifically), I think Omnimon might've had a lot of trouble with him. It's like a regular MaloMyotismon compared to the 02 variant, who was extremely powerful. The copies in Xros Wars are far weaker(although that's because they're copies, a natural one would of course be stronger, but I highly doubt on 02's levels). Different seasons just tend to work differently. Dynasmon is a fun example of this; In Frontier, he's completely loyal to Lucemon. In Savers, while he is naturally loyal to the main bad guy, he also cares more about saving the world than just following orders. This is a huge change up from his first appearance. Strangely LoadKnightmon acts very similar to Crusadermon, with the key difference being a different voice style(I don't know if the Actors are different, but it's less feminine, although not by a huge amount). It may have to do with the actual name change to sound slightly more male?

That could've just been a side effect of destroying Yggdrassil. Granted, the fact that he was able to one-shot Yggdrassil at all is pretty amazing in and of itself.

I'm certain the Apocalymon in Tamers is not the same one from Adventure, I just don't think there is much difference, in power at least, between one and another to begin with because I picture the Digimon species as a whole under a Character Tiers logic.

Also, nothing that comes from the Xros Wars universe is good for measuring the power of any Digimon because the lack of levels in this continuity nerfs pretty much everyone. There we can see absurb stuff like Lucemon being second banana to Lilithmon, HuangLongmon being just a Power Up Mount for Dorbickmon, Marsmon being an unimportant background character that takes orders from Apollomon, among other oddities.

edited 11th Jul '14 6:19:46 PM by ShadowAbyss

That was completely different from the point I was making.

There is no consistent power levels at all among each continuity. 01 and 02 is their own, Tamers is their own(and I still doubt that Apocalymon is anywhere near the same power level as 01's), Frontier is their own, Savers is their own, and especially Xros Wars is their own. That also includes unique personalities where applicable. Multiples of even the same Digimon very often appear in the same continuity but are still different. The Diaboramon in Tamers is probably not nearly on the same power level as the one in the original Movies. Never mind being different ones, and there were 3 in Tamers alone. Tons of Crystallimon(did I spell that right?) too. Which Beelzemon destroyed(justified since he was very high-powered, being a Mega and all).

In fact, about the only Digimon that really seemed to be about the same level of power in the regular Continuities with normal levels was SkullSatamon. Much weaker in Xros Wars, but ridiculously powerful in 02 and Frontier(which regular Levels didn't seem to much matter there either. Agunimon had far more trouble with Candlemon than he had with Cerberusmon... and Hybrids have the same Attribute as the actual Digimon they're facing, so that didn't much matter either. Never mind Candlemon has the Fire element, which should've made the fight easier. Weird). Keep in mind both required upgrades from the Mega-Class(Fusion Spirit being the normal, Unified Spirit being the upgrade) and Mega Level(regular Mega, then updated Mode Change to win) to beat SkullSatamon.

Otherwise, power levels are pretty much not consistent in different continuities. If it's not the same exact same person, just another member of the same Digimon species, they aren't really guaranteed to be the same power level. Hell, even the card games are notably for this. MaloMyotismon is a weak 1800/1800 in the TCG. Many Megas are higher than that. It's quite clear that it more depends on the continuity in itself. And only if they're the same person at best.(multiple Musyamon appear in 01/02 overall, they didn't seem to be that identical in strength...)

Actually, Candlemon being fire elemental was exactly what prevented Agunimon from hitting hard in that fight. Fire doesn't seem to work very well against other fire Digimon in Frontier, Dynasmon tried the same against Agnimon later in the season and it didn't work.

And yet Candlemon's attacks were clearly hurting Agunimon bad. Despite being fire-based.

There is no consistent power level among species in general. Being the same of the species means nothing whatsoever. All that matters is if the same person returns or not at best. If they do, they tend to be around the same power level.

That does make it obvious that evo levels aren't the end to all decisions regarding power levels. And the kage bushin comparison is probably correct; in battle of adventurers, those digimon fought at the beginning were the same kind of copies, and while they still had some strenght they fell down if they suffered a single hit. Don't get why apocalymon in tamers counts for anything though - we were not shown it fighting, so for all we know he could even be the same one as in adventure.

All the more reason that particular Apocalymon is a terrible example. We know nothing about it. However, it was able to go about Death Evolution, something the original one never did or even attempted to do, so it's very possible it's a different one. I mean, they had different versions of the Dark Masters(they are simply a species, and the actual Dark Masters are just notable members of it, not the only ones to exist), Diaboramon, and even a different Xualongmon.

Since it's formed from the power of deleted Digimon, it returning is not even impossible(probably the only reason it would be a different one is due to the fact that Tamers and Adventure 01/02 are different continuities, something that was established specifically). Also, if it weren't for 02 outright mentioning Omnimon as the first DNA Digimon to be seen, we wouldn't even know it was in continuity with the Adventures series and could've been movie only. Not every movie really made sense within the regular show's canon. Even some of the Tamers' movies(I think it was Runaway Locomon) wasn't considered canon either. The series is that damn inconsistent, after all.

Also, among the many Digimon who wanted Rika to be their Tamer(which for some reason Wikimon doesn't simply just mention the list...), a shadowed out Apocalymon existed. I highly doubt it was the same one as Adventure, mainly due to the continuity factors. It can come from a natural Digivolution, Mega, Ultimate, or DNA, after all.

edited 12th Jul '14 3:05:42 AM by Irene

Say, anyone remember when the first broadcast of the episode of Puppetmon's defeat was pre-empted, at least where I was, by the Elian Gonzalez case? One of the darkest days of my elementary school years...

Yeah, I think it also cut off part of Beast Machines.

Hey, that's cool; someone found official artwork for the Digimon World 3 exclusive 'mons, Bemmon, Snatchmon, Destromon, and Galacticmon.