General Digimon Topic

Well, my fanfiction would be set on an original world, but I would take elements from other parts of the franchise in building it (for instance I'm going with the Savers method of digievolution, with DNA and all.) I guess I'm just struggling a bit with the world-building, never was good at that.

And to be fair I'm not too familiar with some Digimon works, for instance I never watched Xros War and never fully watched Tamers, I also haven't watched any of the movies. My favorite season of the anime was probably Savers, which I guess is why I'm borrowing some elements from it

Well if it's an original world there's no need to even care about continuity, you're calling the shots.

I like the Savers method of evolution because it's basically a more explicit version of the evolution used by the previous series' protagonists. You could even say they were using Digisoul / DNA in the other series and it just hadn't been identified.

edited 20th Jun '14 4:52:30 PM by Saiga

Another advantage of Savers/Data Squad is if you want to add other Digivolutions, just name it yourself. I.E. "Charge, DNA Burst Digivolution!" for the alternate to Burst Mode, like VenomMyotismon to MaloMyotismon. Or "DNA Armor Charge" for a Armor Digivolution. For a DNA Digivolution/Jogress, you could use the term "DNA Fusion Charge instead." Something I thought up for a roleplay and all to fix up the "lacking" of certain levels. Or whatever works, you know?

I would love to take part in a Digimon RP, though I'm not sure what Digimon I'd have my tamer have, probably something that ends with Gallantmon or Seraphimon, as those two are my favorite Digimon.

Talking about Gallantmon I was surprised once I saw Savers and how huuuuuuuuuge the Royal Knights were. Especially because I saw Frontier first and there's a cameo of a Gallantmon that's a lot shorter, I think it's just double of Zoey/Izumi's size. Size is another thing that's not very consistent in this franchise, though if I remember right it's actually a game mechanic in Digimon Masters Online.

Well, they are the guardians of the Master of the Digital World in Savers, so them all being really big(Magnamon was fairly small though) is reasonable.

And yeah, size is inconsistent. I think that's more to do with the fact that being the same species doesn't mean you're "grow" in the same way. It's just taking a page from real life, where they can have various heights, etc. It's also possible what I said in the first paragraph is more applied here than anywhere else. It is nice they got LordKnightmon's name right, though.

-Still likes Crusadermon better-

Crusadermon sounds a lot better to me and usually I go with it when refering to it. I do remember the Brazilian dub of Savers giving Crusadermon a very, very deep voice that conflicted with its appearance so much I couldn't take it seriously because it was just so funny.

And yeah, I know it makes sense for them to be colossal in height, didn't make it any less surprising. Magnamon in Savers is still a looot taller than the one in Adventure 02 and while I do understand size differences in real life, I don't think it reaches quite the same level Digimon does

My problem with renames is that Digimon are inherently limited. There are only so many audibles you can stick on mon before they just start sounding forced. In that sense, Crusadermon is much too good of a name for Lordknight//Rhodo Knighmon.

Okay, I get some, like Azulongmon, since its original name is nigh unpronounceable to kids who haven't even finished learning English. I get Deathmon, simply because there are two of them who look nothing alike but changing one to Ghoulmon was a poor choice. What if someone made an actual Ghoulmon? Skullmeramon was more forgivable, yeah it ruins the 'Death Metal' pun but Bandai already did the joke better and it fit with Skullgreymon/Ghostrider.

Indeed. It also fits LordKnightmon's goal, on a crusade for Lucemon. Dynasmon was helping to create a dynasty. Also, having Lord in your name when you're under someone else sounds a bit ridiculous. Shouldn't you be the one in charge? In that situation, it was fitting. In Savers, it's different since they're all on similar levels, despite having a specific boss.

I don't know, I thought it was fitting for Season 4 to use that name. I don't mind the renames, and they solved that here and there. Scorpiomon was the dub of Anomalocarimon, and SkullScorpiomon for Scorpiomon. However, the Scorpiomon from the sub looked like a skeleton quite a bit, so the name fit better to me. I do agree it gets confusing. Like Gargomon and Gargoylemon. Although Galgomon and Gargomon is not really any better, if not more confusing.

I never really understood what Yggdrasil is. Did it create the Digiworld and is a Load-Bearing Boss sort of creator or is it just a ridiculously powerful Digimon that acts as a guardian to the entire Digiworld that is worshipped as a god? Or some sort of mix? I never quite understood it.

Nor do I.

I mean, it could be easy to consider him the creator? A character I ran had him as a random villain who spread the X-Virus, destroying his world. Tyro the MetalTyranomon X-Antibody, aptly named.

I wish they explored that better.

It is believed that he was the computer that was from Ryo's tamer game (Eniac) that evolved more to protect the real creator of the Digital World, but see that there are multiple digiworlds who really knows.

Eniac and Yggdrasil are two different entities. In the Ryo games, Eniac and the ABC are the foundation of the digital world, their creation inadvertently lead to its creation...not that that answers your question.

In comic book terms, Yggdrasil is like Darkseid (threat to the universe), Eniac and ABC are like The Antimoniter (threat to the "mutliverse")

Eniac and ABC are the first two computers (like, in real life, too) so when they came into existence, so did the Digital World. Several of the Digimon Dictionary entries hint at an even higher power, too, possibly the first human to program a computer, who now lives in the DW.

Huh, that's convenient for my purposes at least.

edited 20th Jun '14 10:32:06 PM by FullMoon

So I just had a thought about the Control spires / Dark Towers:

It was said that they blocked evolution/digivolution....but are we sure they worked on all evolution, or did they only work on digivice induced evolution only?

There was only one example of a Digimon who could evolve/digivolve on his own in Adventure (Leomon, and that was only after exposure to two digivices), but if other digimon could evolve on their own, maybe they could bypass the Tower's influence the same way that Armour evolution/digivolution did.

It would make sense for the same reason Armour forms did: it wasn't something Ken knew about, so he couldn't plan for it.

Leomon was able to evolve on his own after being bathed in the light of the Digivices. So it'd probably stop that as well.

Digimon aren't supposed to be able to burst evolve, normally natural evolution is permanent even in the Adventure universe.

That is true.

In fact, outside of that one time where Guilmon became Growlmon on his own even though he was separated from Takato, there's never been a time in the franchise where a partner was able to evolve with the human being close by.

Still, something to think about.

In 02, Agumon and the others learned how to reach champion/adult without their partners.

edited 21st Jun '14 8:34:41 PM by theweirdKiddokun

I don't think that was the case.

It's just that they evolved and stayed that way.

They have enough experience in battle to hold a form for a long time, and were probably pretty strong as adults. As long as they didn't end up in an area where there were control spires, they were ok.

I'm pretty sure (as I haven seen 02 in years) that Agumon said that they had to learn to digiolve on their own to better protect the digiworld and that they could own the form, but they would revert when they ran out of energy.

Since Gatomon was a natural Adult by the time Adventure started, due to hatching early, I feel the others should have been natural Adults save for Patamon (who died and was reborn) come 02. That way they could be about on par with the Armour evolutions, can't evolve further because of the spirals but aren't stuck in child form.

It was pretty interesting seeing how each series handled digivolution. The control spires were an awesome way to set some limits on it since the previous season mostly took the concept for granted aside from Agumon becoming SkullGreymon.

Speaking of Gatomon, she was also the only one with a backstory between the two seasons of Adventure unless you count the Wonder Swan games for Veemon. Up until Savers, which kind of goes both ways with this, most if not all of the partner Digimon in any given series were just... there. In Savers, Falcomon and Kudamon are really the only ones that can be said to have backstories while the other main characters' Digimon hatched in the human world and nothing is really revealed about Kamemon.

edited 22nd Jun '14 1:18:40 AM by Ghostninja109

The Digimon usually don't have much to them since they're mostly Satellite Character. Still, my favorite from Savers would probably be Gaomon just by how comically serious he can be, I still remember there was an episode where he was playing hopscotch with Agumon and Lalamon

That and MirageGaogamon is probably one of my favorite Megas.

edited 22nd Jun '14 8:38:22 AM by FullMoon

Gaomon probably had the least personality (mostly, he just said Yes Master or Sir yes sir if you prefer).

That being said, Mach Gaogamon and Mirage Gaogamon are two of my favourite forms.

For a show about monsters beating the crap out of each other I have to admit most of the time I'm just plain uninterested in the Digimon partners exactly because of that, they don't have much of a personality and when they do it is a copy paste of their tamer. Don't get me wrong, they are cool looking, especially after evolving, but they don't interest me as characters. It is rare for that to happen when I watch the show, I usually pay attention in the humans and see the Digimon in a second plane.

Oddly enough, Tailmon is an inversion. I find Kari to be so much of a Purity Sue her character becomes too simple and uninteresting in my eyes, while Tailmon's backstory with Myotismon, her relationship with Wizardmon, his death and her Character Development instantly made her a fan favorite of mine in this season. I like Tentomon too because he is funny and that's it, I mostly don't care about the others.

The only seasons that made me really enjoy the Digimon themselves as characters were Tamers and Xros Wars (the first two arcs at least). Savers is a mix because it is a small group where I like Agumon, Lalamon and Kudamon, but Gaomon lacks a personality and all the others barely talk. In 02 I only enjoyed Wormmon among the newcomers for similar reasons as Tailmon, and that's it.

For a show about monsters they really made the human characters way more interesting than the Digimon ones (antagonists and secondary monster characters not withstanding). But from my point of view that's a good thing because it gives the impression something is actually in motion other than just EXTREME monster fights. I'm here for the fights too, but it gives something more to watch.

edited 22nd Jun '14 12:16:33 PM by ShadowAbyss