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Indiana Solo
People have been banned for other things, and that's all I'm gonna say about that
I'm baaaaaaack
Mrs. Clinton is expected to lose the first in the nation primary in New Hampshire Tuesday to rival Vermont Senator Bernard Sanders, according to a variety of polls. Still reeling from her narrow victory in Iowa, instead of reevaluating her campaign strategy after the first four primary states, insiders tell Politico the reassessment could come sooner.
“The Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that,” said one Democratic official, who speaks to both Bill and Hillary, told Politico. “The idea is that we need a more forward-looking message, for the primary – but also for the general election too… There’s no sense of panic, but there is an urgency to fix these problems right now.”
Insiders say they are frustrated at Mrs. Clinton’s hands-off approach when things are going well, but then tries to micromanage when things get tougher. Also, staffers are annoyed the Clintons go to those outside the campaign for strategy tips, which they say muddies her messaging. In contrast, Mr. Sanders has one clear message of income inequality.
Hillary Clinton campaign staff shake-up coming after expected N.H. loss: report
Clinton weighs staff shake-up after New Hampshire
"If I could do it all again I'd eliminate the Supreme Court ruling" Citizens United, the Republican presidential candidate told CNN's Dana Bash in an interview published Monday afternoon.
"This is a ridiculous system we have now where you have campaigns that struggle to raise money directly and they can't be held accountable for the spending of the super PAC that's their affiliate," Bush added.
Bush says he'd 'eliminate' Citizens United
edited 8th Feb '16 12:45:00 PM by SolipsistOwl
Lost in Space
Hmm, well. I can't say that is unexpected, but it also has eerie echoes of 2008, when the Clinton campaign unraveled over almost exactly the same problems. Learn from experience, they have not.
Re: Bush, I wonder if he would replace the Citizens United ruling with the removal of the limits on direct donations.
edited 8th Feb '16 12:45:49 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
A Sanders victory wouldn't be the start of the revolution, however much he works that term into his rhetoric. Sanders is an opportunity for reform and needed change, more Turgot than Robespierre if we're keeping with the revolutionary themes (...though hopefully not undone in that role by the fact that Turgot's reforms were ultimately unsuccessful because no one else in government could be bothered to listen or see beyond their short-sighted interests).
Fortunately, there may be many more such opportunities yet if even folks like Bush are getting the message.
edited 8th Feb '16 12:54:31 PM by Artificius
"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
Lost in Space
Bush is learning that all the money in the world won't buy you an election if you leave the spending of it up to unaccountable third parties. Of course, he seems to think that the problem is his messaging when it's really his total lack of anything resembling personal charm or conviction.
edited 8th Feb '16 12:55:57 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
I dunno; in terms of charm, I'd say that he's the most likeable of the GOP candidates (faint fucking praise, I know).
Bush is charming enough (more than either his father or brother certainly), and he does have his convictions...they're just not on the hot topics of the GOP primary crowd.
He's basically too geeky for the GOP.
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The man's a general election candidate fighting in a circus. Serious people can't deal with the nonsense.
edited 8th Feb '16 1:03:22 PM by FFShinra
here alive in 2008? His policies aren't "much needed reform", they're poorly thought out populist nonsense.
edited 8th Feb '16 1:06:53 PM by Nihlus1
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Obama was a junior senator in over his head, while Sanders is the longest-serving independent in congressional history. He's the "Amendment King."
Yes, America was a bit naive to buy into Obama's promises, but Sanders is coming from a completely different direction.
edited 8th Feb '16 1:17:00 PM by SolipsistOwl
Yes, Obama didn't try to withdraw from the WTO or create another credit bubble.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sanders' much lauded "experience" (in voting for his unions and voting no against much needed bills like TARP) has only brought him to the point where he thinks long-debunked policies are good ideas, and praises the guy who considers Hugo Chavez
◊ a role model. His "experience" is equivalent to a "doctor" with a lot of experience in homeopathy. I'm actually not 100% sure if he actually believes this stuff or if he's just trying to appeal to populist sentiment; a lot of his rhetoric sounds nice but makes no sense when deconstructed.
His healthcare plan, as detailed in the linked article, being probably the best example.
Actually, wait, did you read the articles I linked? I wasn't talking about Obama.
edited 8th Feb '16 1:24:35 PM by Nihlus1
One tweet 3 years ago is thin evidence. Sorry.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Bloomberg told the Financial Times for a story published Monday that he was "looking at all the options" regarding a bid.
“I find the level of discourse and discussion distressingly banal and an outrage and an insult to the voters,” Bloomberg told the newspaper, saying the public deserved "a lot better."
The New York Times reported last month that Bloomberg was considering a third-party presidential bid, suggesting he could spend at least $1 billion on the uphill fight.
So, he's going to kamikaze the country by ensuring a Republican win?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Field Marshal of Cracked
well then, guess you chaps had better get your asylum documentation ready... and be ready swear an oath to the Queen
edited 8th Feb '16 1:49:42 PM by FieldMarshalFry
advancing the front into TV Tropes
If the GOP wins you guys can come to Canada, but you had better be damn ready to man the barricades with the rest of us.
Shameful Display
Fuck that, get out the guns and meet me at the nearest secret rebel base.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
If Bloomberg were to run against Trump and Sanders, would he have an actual shot at winning?
Field Marshal of Cracked
I doubt it, but he would draw enough "centreists" to scupper Sanders
advancing the front into TV Tropes
Wouldn't that damage Trump, too? I imagine many of the Republicans who support Rubio/Kasich/Bush/Christie would prefer Bloomberg to Trump.
Queen of Good Things, Honest
Yes, which would give a third option to Republicans who might have been willing to vote Sanders/Clinton just to keep Trump out of the White House.
edited 8th Feb '16 1:56:26 PM by TobiasDrake
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Basically Bloomberg would Perot the race. But thing is, he has a pretty low likability rating from his own conducted polls and not many people want him.
So he'd be doing this solely to ratfuck Sanders and Trump because he fears both of them will burn America to the Ground, and is only entering with the possibility of Hillary failing and falling apart.
edited 8th Feb '16 2:02:25 PM by PotatoesRock
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
He won't do much of anything to either side. He'll fizzle out fairly quickly or be there but just kinda hanging on and nobody notices.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Uuuuggghh... that makes me hope desperately Hillary gets her shit together, and that Bloomberg doesn't jump to conclusions if she loses New Hampshire. I mean, really, even Teddy Roosevelt couldn't beat America's two-party system; what chance does this guy think he's got? If he wanted to stimy Trump's influence, why didn't he just enter the race as a Republican when it became apparent who the frontrunners were?
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His prejudice against Sanders and leftists? I though we were all entitled to voice our beliefs in this forum, baring stuff like out and out racism and sexism of course.
I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.