Assassin's Creed

Well, quite frankly, I don't care how long it bloody well takes to create a 'modern segment' for the games. They have done NOTHING in the modern segments since AC 3 and that was years ago.

This isn't 'we have a lack of resources'. This is 'we have been lazy with the allocation of our resources in the last three games so we decided not to advance the plot'.

I want the game after the next game to be a showdown between Connor and Cormac.

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I gotta agree I'd welcome an Assassin's Creed set in the Sengoku Jidai. So much could be done there.

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I still want a game with a female protagonist in the Wild West.

Eh Wild West doesn't strike me as a relevant enough period. The franchise seems to focus on heavily world (or at least continent) changing events and period full of of epic historical characters. Sengoku Jidai or the Meiji Restoration (or as I keep suggesting the War Of The Triple Alliance) could be excused as massively changing the status of Asia/South America politicaly and economically speaking.

Wild West, on the broad scale of things, is pretty small-scale. Don't really see it as a interesting period for the franchise, particularly because it'd be difficult to work hidden blades in such a gunfire-based era.

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I would disagree. None of Brotherhood, Revelations, Liberation, Black Flag, or Rogue take place during particularly important world events. And II only skates by because it was generally the Renaissance, rather than a specific moment. That leaves the original's Third Crusade, III's American Revolution, and Unity's French Revolution.

Specifically, the Wild West would be about as relevant to the series as the Golden Age of Piracy. The case is really only hurt because it would have similar themes to Black Flag.

If Unity is indicative of the series' gameplay direction, that's not even an issue, since you can't use the hidden blade in combat anymore.

The Golden Age of Piracy was a crucial event in many ways. The first Republic of the New World, European Empires nearly losing command over the Caribbean to some ruffians, and Rogue is set on the backdrop of the Seven Years War, one of the biggest wars in history. I'll give you Liberations and Brotherhood, though I'm on the fence regarding Revelations (Ottoman shenanigans and whatnot). Though even Liberation (alongside the majestic Freddom Cry) could be argued to be about the repercussions of slavery in the colonies, which is a very crucial subject.

In either case, I just don't find the Wild West to be interesting. What would the protagonist do, run around, kill a few bandits, maaaaybe a corrupt politician? Wouldn't really change anything on the long run.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Plus a Wild West Assassin's Creed game it would essentially just be Red Dead Redemption WITH ASSASSINS!

And what, pray tell, is wrong with that? They're not made by the same studio, Red Dead Redemption came out five years ago, and Rock Star doesn't have a monopoly on western-themed games.

Slavery in the colonies, crucial subject though it is, is not actually a moment in history. Just as "Ottoman shenanigans" is not actually an historical event.

And everything I've heard about Rogue implies that the Seven Years' War is not given nearly as much attention as the series' own mythology. Yeah, it's set then, but the game is mostly about Assassins and Templars (sort of like a reverse Black Flag).

edited 1st Mar '15 9:01:46 PM by BadWolf21

It's still about historical relevance, which I feel the Wild West sorely lacks, a fun period as it is. If we're going back to America we might as well use the Civil War, which would be a more apropriately massive period.

But Wild West? Doesn't really pack a punch for me.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

What, nobody wants a modern day game about the Assassins trying to take out Justice Antonin Scalia?

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You don't see how the common Western theme of the lawless lands of the west being subsumed by the expansion of cities and modern technology across the continent is relevant to the central order vs. chaos theme of the series? Really?

Doesn't seem like an interesting enough justification to me. What fascinating characters would this game use? What interesting events? What assassinations? What great Templar masterplan that needs to be stopped? In what way would this conflict be relevant to the Templar vs Assassin conflict other than something very tangential?

Legitimate questions. I'm not trying to be aggressive.

edited 1st Mar '15 9:31:46 PM by Gaon

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

I'm not a writer. It's an idea.

None of your questions are ones that I look at and go "Oh yeah, there's nothing there", though.

Old West could be a viable setting but I don't see the Wild West fitting over-well with AC. It's so spread out. Sure, Black Flag was too, but you had a ship to fight on. And, off the top of my head, I can't think of too many really culture-relevant bits that happened in the Old West, beyond the cultural mythology. Some legendary people (Doc Holliday, Billy the Kid, etc., but not a cultural hotspot.

ACII/Brotherhood totally took place in culture-shaping times. Rome was a center of Western civilization. People like Rodrigo Borgia (though historically he wasn't that bad a dude...) got tons of shade thrown at the Catholic Church. Peeps like Savonarola were some of the first remembered people to say "down with these funny-hatted fucks!" which paved the way for Martin Luther and that shitstorm. Plus Leonardo, Galileo, etc. ... Or maybe I'm just too distracted by the aesthetics

I'd squee for Ancient Rome/Roman Empire. My pet idea to nuke the modern day segments would be an assassin finding a Piece of Eden that acted as a less controllable kind of animus, and he or she would be snapped between legit Ancient Egypt and Cleopatra-era Ptolemy Egypt, or Roman Republic and later (western) Roman Empire. The fur would fly when the assassin starts having trouble distinguishing the two.

edited 1st Mar '15 9:53:01 PM by Phoenixflame

@Sengoku Jidai: Memories already covered that.

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I don't think Wild West Assassins will work. For one thing the Wild West was not very wild and the whole myth of the Frontier cowboy was pretty much made up in the 20th Century. The Golden Age Of Piracy had more grounding in reality and actual facts than the wild west cowboy ever did, and the real stuff is way more interesting in terms of political resonances.

Ideally I would love an Assassins Creed game set in the Gangs of New York era, where you have the New York from Scorsese's movie as a playground, and we can hang out with Herman Melville, Walt Whitman and Horace Greeley, as well as P. T. Barnum, and the madness of the Draft Riots and maybe stuff that's not in the movie but there in the book (like how New York gangs brought the Statue of Liberty to the city). But that's not going to happen since they did New York twice in III and Rogue, and that was the boring era.

I think AC games divide themselves on major historical events (The Crusades, the Revolutions, the Renaissance) and general cultural eras, like REVELATIONS doesn't capture one specific event but it generally taps into the ethos of Istanbul as this multicultural city and evokes the sense of importance it had on the medieval world. Likewise, BLACK FLAG tackles the Pirate era and evokes that romance well.

ROGUE on the other hand does neither and is just elaborate fanfiction.

It was rather short though, a full-fledged game would still have much more to show.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

They've said 20th century in-game is bad with the animus because of cars. I don't know how much later they'll go than Russian Revolution, at least for anything not a mini-segment like the WWII Eiffel Tower scramble. Maybe next beat they'll bounce back in time quite a bit? Hundred Years War, Roman Empire, Reconquista Spain, 2nd/3rd Century China, etc. Lol, you ride along with a peppy Joan of Arc and her chivalrous companion Gilles de Rais, only to run into him again a few years later when he's in full Bluebeard mode.

For the love of God can we have another lady assassin?

edited 2nd Mar '15 7:55:25 PM by Phoenixflame

I have no idea why people want a Russian revolution setting. There's an even better one: 20th century Berlin. Or rather Berlin in the 20s.

I'm guessing that they want a Russia-set game, because of Nikolai (from the comics).

By the way, I haven't yet played Rogue or Unity. Which one do you recommend playing first?

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It depends. Would you prefer to play an ok game followed by a god awful one or a god awful game followed by a game that feels amazing because of how god awful the previous one was?

I'm thinking that I might start with Rogue. I think that it's the better of the two, and its plot interests me.

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Completely forgot to post some stuff from Unity novel in here. Or more I got distracted with other things I've been doing and reading. Since I recently got back to reading Unity, let's see...

I don't remember where last left off at, but basically, I reached the start of the game. The whole earlier parts seen first, blah blah blah, Elise was finally getting through to her dad, and happy. The party happens, blah blah blah, and her dad dies. She learns about how Arno fucked up with the letter and she's switched from love to hate. Or more some complicated mess as while she does claim to hate Arno, she did still try to go rescue him when the chaos picked up and saw him escaping and becoming an assassin.

Let's see, she's basically spiraled into depression at this point. She went home and ran into two assassins who from the Carols who tried to kill her in the chaos. She managed to kill them. Blah blah blah, a little something else that I can't remember if I mentioned with person she, and Arno's meeting back up with her for that meeting after Arno became an assassin. She's still a mess. I'll quote two parts for how out of it she is.

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“Why you’d want to rejoin the Assassins is beyond me anyway.”

“Begging your pardon, mademoiselle?”

I leaned forward, squinting at him and waggling the beaker of wine at the same time. “I mean I’d think very carefully about that if I were you.”

“What can you mean?”

I waved an airy hand. “I mean that you’re out of it. Well out of it. Free of all that . . .” I waved a hand again. “. . . stuff. Assassin, Templar. Pah. They’ve got enough dogma for ten thousand churches and twice as much misguided belief. For centuries they’ve done nothing but squabble, and to what end, eh? Mankind carries on regardless. Look at France. My father and his advisers spent years arguing over the ‘best’ direction for the country and in the end the Revolution went ahead and happened without them anyway. Ha! Where was Mirabeau when they stormed the Bastille? Still taking votes on tennis courts? The Assassins and Templars are like two ticks fighting over control of the cat, an exercise in hubris and futility.”

“But, mademoiselle, whatever the eventual outcome, we have to believe we have the capacity to effect change for the better.”

“Only if we’re deluded, Ruddock,” I said. “Only if we’re deluded.”

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I gripped his collars, looked up at him, into that bearded face creased with concern, and didn’t want to ever let him go. “The Carrolls sent killers, Mr. Weatherall. They sent two men to kill me for what I did to May Carroll.”

His shoulders slumped onto his crutches as he embraced me. “Oh God, child. When?”

“I killed them,” I went on, breathlessly. “I killed them both. I put a wooden stake into one of them.” I giggled.

He pulled away, looking deep into my eyes, frowning. “And then celebrated with a couple of hundred bottles of wine, by the looks of things.”

I shook my head. “No. Only to help me sleep, to help forget that . . . that I’ve lost Arno, and my father, and what I did to May Carroll, and the two men who came to kill me.” I began to sob now, giggling one second, sobbing the next, dimly realizing that this was not normal behavior but unable to stop myself. “I put a stake into one of them.”

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As of now where I'm at she just got taken back to where Helena is to recover and she's still a mess. Just sleeping, being denied wine (and getting angry about it), and so forth. Or least was until next section just went into where she's finally getting back to herself and apologizing for how she got. She also now knows that The King of Beggars is involved in arranging the assassination attempt on her from when she was younger and about the whole traitors within their own camp. Since she's the current Grandmaster since her father died, she intends to rally her forces and see where things stand as of now.

edited 17th Mar '15 9:48:58 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

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I have to admit, I stopped playing Unity. Hadn't really got that far. It's beautiful, I love the combat, I love a lot about it but...

It hasn't gripped me.

Now they've done away with the Ap bits I may jump back in, but the disconnect between the menu and the game (Why can't we have SHOPS!?) and the sheer gaminess of some parts of it are putting me off.

AC 1, 2 and 3 the Animus bits were there but not too obtrusive. Here they're overwhelming.

I will finish it at some point. But I preferred Rogue.