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RocketDude Face Time from AZ, United States Since: May, 2009
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#151: Jul 9th 2011 at 9:19:41 AM

^True, but it's still slightly weird to see his name in there.

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ArlaGrey Since: Jun, 2010
#153: Jul 9th 2011 at 11:53:39 AM

Probably will be shot down for saying is... but I think the hatred directed at tabloids is a little too much.

No-one expects journalistic integrity from them, but I think people who are asserting now that all tabloids have been hacking the phones of murder victims are jumping the gun a bit. Maybe it will turn out they have, but it's not really fair to just decide that completely unrelated papers must have been - it's not too unreasonable to be suspicious of The Sun now, but until we are given reasonable reason to be suspicious of the others, it's not fair to declare their guilt.

I'm not trying to justify hackings, and I really want everyone involved to face charges, but I wish people would stop acting like tabloids are inherently evil. They're self-serving, they tend to report stuff without doing proper research, they're hardly bastions of moral integrity... but it isn't fair to assume that since one was doing something utterly reprehensible, they all were.

I'm happy to take back everything I just wrote, if indeed it turns out every tabloid in Britain was hacking the phones of murder victims and their families.

Also, sorry for the mini essay, I just felt things were too one sided everywhere I looked.

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#154: Jul 9th 2011 at 12:44:52 PM

[up]I WILL TRACK DOWN YOUR IP ADDRESS AND KILL YO... nah kidding.

Yeah, I understand. I'm okay with the tabloids. Papers can print what they want. The proles needs their feed.

No, I'm more concerned about the power News Int. has over the media here. And the politics.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#155: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:43:06 PM

[up]

Maybe the Power Murdoch holds has now been broken? It's not impossible, if the backlash is large enough, that the Sun will close and the The Times will be sold off...

Keep Rolling On
Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#156: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:53:06 PM

Hopefully so.

I think they haven't sacked Brooks because of the dirt she could say about Murdoch. Think of all the things she knows... she may be under contract to not say those things...

AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#157: Jul 10th 2011 at 2:53:18 PM

^^ I honestly doubt it's that strong.

edited 10th Jul '11 2:53:41 PM by AllanAssiduity

revertedtozero Long Story from Your Basement. Since: Aug, 2009
Long Story
#158: Jul 10th 2011 at 11:12:53 PM

Your're not gonna believe this

Rupert Murdoch's takeover of B Sky B appeared to be dead in the water last night after proof emerged that executives at his British newspaper empire mounted a cover-up of the full scale of alleged criminal wrongdoing at the News of the World.

In another extraordinary day in the phone-hacking scandal, Downing Street sources confirmed that Government lawyers were drawing up a strategy to halt the ÂŁ9bn deal which looked a certainty only a week ago.

As Nick Clegg threatened to split the Coalition by siding with a Labour plan to block the takeover, a senior Government source said last night: "We are working on a plan to suspend the deal while the police investigation is taking place. But we have to ensure it doesn't get thrown out by judicial review."

The U-turn came after one of News International's own papers revealed that an internal report carried out in 2007, after the News of the World's royal editor Clive Goodman was jailed, had found evidence that illegally accessing voicemails was more widespread at the paper – and that payments had been made to police officers.

An anonymous executive was quoted as saying that the report had been like a "ticking time bomb". The report suggests there was a deliberate cover-up by unidentified executives at News International, which had told Parliamentary inquiries in 2007 and 2009 there was no evidence journalists other than Goodman had been involved in phone hacking, nor that it had attempted to suppress evidence of illegality.

The collapse of the cover-up came as:

  • Rupert Murdoch flew into London and was seen entering News International's Wapping HQ carrying a copy of the last ever News of the World.

  • Labour leader Ed Miliband confirmed his party's opposition to the B Sky B bid and won backing from senior Lib Dems.

  • One of Scotland Yard's most senior officers, John Yates, admitted that his decision to fend off demands for a re-opening of the criminal investigation into the NOTW had been "pretty crap".

  • The parents of the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler, whose phone was targeted by the paper, prepared to travel to Downing Street to demand action over the growing scandal.

  • The News of the World published its final edition after 168 years with the headline "Thank You & Goodbye", and and an apology for having "lost its way".

  • An audacious bid was being made by to resurrect the Sunday paper.

The Government's U-turn over its backing for the B Sky B deal is a humiliation for the Prime Minister, who last week said he was powerless to stop it.

Liberal Democrat officials revealed Nick Clegg would back a Labour parliamentary motion calling for the takeover to be suspended, unless Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt acted before a Commons debate on Wednesday. Ministers are thought to have been hoping Ofcom would block the deal under its "fit and proper persons" test for broadcasters, but with that looking unlikely before the end of the criminal investigation, they are taking action themselves. Lawyers in the Department of Culture, Media and Sport are thought to be looking at whether the assurances given by News Corporation on plurality can be trusted in light of the growing evidence of corporate wrongdoing. Yesterday, Mr Miliband warned Mr Cameron that unless there was action before Wednesday, he would force the issue to a vote in Parliament. He said: "I say this to the Prime Minister: over the next 72 hours I hope he changes his position."

Hours after flying into Britain, Mr Murdoch continued his support of Rebekah Brooks, the embattled chief executive of News International and former News of the World editor. But the company came under further pressure as it emerged that unidentified NI executives knew as far back as 2007 that criminality at the title was apparently widespread. It subsequently insisted that only Goodman had been to blame, telling Parliament that there was no evidence other journalists were involved.

Following allegations that the victims of phone hacking spread far beyond royal aides and the five individuals identified at the trial of Goodman and private investigator Glenn Mulcaire, News International carried out a "thorough investigation" in 2009. Apart from Goodman and Mulcaire, it said there was no no evidence that "News of the World journalists have accessed the voicemails of any individual" or "News of the World or its journalists have instructed private investigators or other third parties to access the voicemails of any individuals".

Scotland Yard, whose Assistant Commissioner John Yates said in an interview that he had failed to carry out a proper review of the evidence in 2009, now concedes that there are almost 4,000 victims of phone hacking. Company sources last night said that neither Ms Brooks nor James Murdoch, News Corp's European chief executive, had seen the 2007 report until April.

It was also reported today that victims of the 9/11 attacks in New York could also be among those targeted by phone hackers from the News of the World. The Daily Mirror cites an unnamed source claiming that a former police officer, working as a private investigator, was asked by News of the World journalists to retrieve the private phone records of those killed in the attack.

Today the family of Milly Dowler will meet Mr Clegg. The paper that hacked their daughter's phone printed its last edition yesterday, saying it had carried out important investigative journalism. Its front page said: "After 168 years, we finally say a sad but very proud farewell to our 7.5m loyal readers."

How Murdoch's lieutenants pleaded ignorance

  • 06.03.2007 John Whittingdale (DCMS Select Committee chairman): "You carried out a full, rigorous internal inquiry, and you are absolutely convinced that Clive Goodman was the only person who knew what was going on?" Les Hinton: "Yes, we have and I believe he was the only person, but that investigation, under the new editor, continues."

  • 21.07.2009 Tom Crone: "At no stage during their [the police's] investigation or ours did any evidence arise that the problem of accessing [voicemails] by our reporters, or complicity of accessing by our reporters, went beyond the Goodman/Mulcaire situation." Asked whether any journalists other than Goodman dealt with Mulcaire, he said: "No evidence was found."

  • 21.07.2009 After Philip Davies MP suggested journalists other than Clive Goodman must have been involved, Myler said: "No evidence, Mr Davies, has been produced internally or externally by the police, by any lawyers, to suggest that what you have said is the truth, is the case."

  • 21.07.2009 "As far as I am aware, there is no evidence linking the non-royal phone-hacking allegations that were made against Glenn Mulcaire to any member of the News of the World staff. I think that Clive was a rogue case on the News of the World."

  • 15.09.2009 "... There was never any evidence delivered to me that suggested that the conduct of Clive Goodman spread beyond him."

Think we might need to do website quoting.

edited 10th Jul '11 11:14:12 PM by revertedtozero

Hellote.
Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#159: Jul 11th 2011 at 12:46:50 AM

<HALLEUIAH!>

There must be a patron saint of bad business deals. That's the only way we can explain this.

JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#160: Jul 11th 2011 at 1:11:30 AM

Wow, this is rocking the very foundations of the Murdoch empire.

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#161: Jul 11th 2011 at 1:15:02 AM

I can predict the end of the empire! The Age of Murdoch will draw to a close! The proleteriat will be freed from their trashy newspapers with no content!

When it does fall, there will be a party at my house. Fo'sho.

TheJackal Lurker from the UK Since: Dec, 2009
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#162: Jul 11th 2011 at 1:50:10 AM

I can't see Murdoch lasting much longer in this country after this. With the News of the World gone for good and the BSkyB deal looking dead, there's no way he can keep up the level of influence he has now.

However, the thing that most interested me in the article was this:

It was also reported today that victims of the 9/11 attacks in New York could also be among those targeted by phone hackers from the News of the World.

Would that mean that the News Corp journalists and executives could be tried in America for the hacking as well as bribing police? Because that seems to imply that his American operations could go the same way as his British ones. Now that would be a blow to Murdoch.

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#163: Jul 11th 2011 at 1:54:06 AM

[up]If that were true, they could be either tried here as part of the on-going investigation, or extradited (if Washington says so) to face an American court.

Where they will die in a fire of guilt.

If that is true, then there is no way that Murdoch will remain a credible force in the media world.

edited 11th Jul '11 1:54:26 AM by Inhopelessguy

Shichibukai Permanently Banned from Banland Since: Oct, 2011
Permanently Banned
#164: Jul 11th 2011 at 6:15:25 AM

Ideally, Murdoch's influence should be driven out of Britain. Perhaps his reputation here is ruined. Enough people have been alerted to his presence across the media. But I wouldn't put too much faith in their ability to resist and boycott Murdoch-owned media I'm afraid. Are people readily going to make the association between News of The World and other News International products? Are they going to care if they know?

edited 11th Jul '11 6:19:11 AM by Shichibukai

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AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#165: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:10:07 AM

Gordon Brown "targeted by Sunday Times". Another Murdoch paper. Sigh.

I also saw something about Murdoch referring his takeover bid to the competition committee, which will delay the takeover by six months, while still keeping it alive. I'm sure you can figure out why. Can't find an article.

edited 11th Jul '11 8:11:39 AM by AllanAssiduity

IanExMachina The Paedofinder General from Gone with the Chickens Since: Jul, 2009
The Paedofinder General
#166: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:20:22 AM

Lets just hope this is a huge can of worms than can be open a while to investigate any allegation for other papers, as it is unlikely No TW was the only one doing anything illegal.

By the powers invested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you guilty of paedophilia!
Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
#167: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:22:25 AM

[up]Well, it seems that we now know another Murdoch paper was doing something illegal...

What's precedent ever done for us?
NexusCell Don't Touch My Car from Where the Wind Blows Since: Feb, 2011
Don't Touch My Car
#168: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:26:50 AM

Wow, just, wow.

My disdain for NOTW cannot be expressed in words right now.

Don't Stop Me Now...
TheBatPencil from Glasgow, Scotland Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#169: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:39:29 AM

Jarvis Cocker wipes his arse with the last NOTW

edited 11th Jul '11 8:40:18 AM by TheBatPencil

And let us pray that come it may (As come it will for a' that)
Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
Karkadinn
#170: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:44:25 AM

I'm interested in seeing how the American media, ever the whores for sensationalism that they are, will take to this. Nothing stirs up emotions like 9/11, so playing off that angle would be a good way to get Americans invested in the event as a whole (and coincidentally weaken Murdoch).

Oh, lawdy, that last link is just PRICELESS. Thank you so much for that one, Nexus.

"That is what we do - we go out and destroy other people's lives."

You could not have a better quote to exemplify the news media if you made one up.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
Yej See ALL the stars! from <0,1i> Since: Mar, 2010
See ALL the stars!
#171: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:44:41 AM

[up][up][up] I can imagine the logic, though. They might have wanted to attempt "business as usual," despite what happened.

edited 11th Jul '11 8:45:40 AM by Yej

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#172: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:49:51 AM

YES! Die Murdoch's Empire die!

NexusCell Don't Touch My Car from Where the Wind Blows Since: Feb, 2011
Don't Touch My Car
#173: Jul 11th 2011 at 8:59:59 AM

Well, looks like NOTW had one final Take That! against Brooks.

edited 11th Jul '11 9:00:20 AM by NexusCell

Don't Stop Me Now...
AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#174: Jul 11th 2011 at 9:03:55 AM

Quote from the House of Commons, made by Mr. Dennis Skinner:

Isn't it convenient, that this absent Prime Minister, has been able to dodge the real questions of what did he know about criminal activities from Murdoch? When did he know it? And isn't it time, based upon the British public's reaction, that we send this non-tax-paying Murdoch back to whence he came, and for the final humiliation, get the Secretary of State for Energy to drive him to the airport?

Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#175: Jul 11th 2011 at 9:30:20 AM

[up] Well... I wonder how ol' Cammy got into power?

Okay, Blair got into power the same way...


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